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I've never served. What's the better outcome: Leave or Stay
Posted on 12/12/19 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 12/12/19 at 9:52 pm
Leave:
Afghanistan
Iraq
Syria
Yemen
Accomplish very little, next to nothing long term, 6,000+ American lives lost, no stability.
No more combat troops.
All loss of life as far as the region is concerned was senseless.
Stay:
Keep fighting for "freedom" and "nation building."
Afghanistan
Iraq
Syria
Yemen
Accomplish very little, next to nothing long term, 6,000+ American lives lost, no stability.
No more combat troops.
All loss of life as far as the region is concerned was senseless.
Stay:
Keep fighting for "freedom" and "nation building."
This post was edited on 12/12/19 at 9:53 pm
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Posted on 12/12/19 at 9:53 pm to KosmoCramer
We have a lot of nukes that have not seen a lot of action in a while
I vote drop some goodies on the way out
I vote drop some goodies on the way out
Posted on 12/12/19 at 9:55 pm to KosmoCramer
It’s not that simple. Some of these places if you pull out quickly, you leave a void. These things take time, Trump has been pulling us out of some of these places, I expect more in the coming years.
Posted on 12/12/19 at 9:57 pm to KosmoCramer
The problem we've seen with leaving is that the locals seem completely unable to govern themselves in a fashion which doesn't involve hard-line Islam running the show (or at least being able to fend off those types).
BUT... that means we either leave them to those types or we stay forever. If it comes down to a choice strictly between those two options, I opt for getting the frick out. Endless wars are the ultimate expression of futility as well as being a fast-track to financial ruin.
BUT... that means we either leave them to those types or we stay forever. If it comes down to a choice strictly between those two options, I opt for getting the frick out. Endless wars are the ultimate expression of futility as well as being a fast-track to financial ruin.
Posted on 12/12/19 at 9:58 pm to IMATIGERFAN
quote:
It’s not that simple. Some of these places if you pull out quickly, you leave a void. These things take time, Trump has been pulling us out of some of these places, I expect more in the coming years.
We don't even know who we're fighting.
We've increased troops in Yemen. In Saudi Arabia. Why?
Posted on 12/12/19 at 9:59 pm to YF12
quote:
We have a lot of nukes that have not seen a lot of action in a while
On who and why?
We've been occupying these countries and killing tons of people all this time and your answer is to nuke them on the way out?
Posted on 12/12/19 at 10:05 pm to KosmoCramer
You cannot pull out too fast or you leave a vacuum .... especially if you telegraph it in advance with a time and date and give the bad guys time to mission plan to come in right behind you.
It has to be a strategic withdrawal and you have to be willing, and hopeful, to draw bad guys out in the process and lay waste to their asses in order to give you an chance to stick around awhile longer.
We need to get out of all of those places and honestly I would like to see us empty our bases in Germany as well.
Leave the ones in Italy and keep sharing in The UK and keep our bases in Saudia Arabia.
Refuse to get involved in Africa no matter what the NWO wants.
Move our German bases to Poland and elsewhere in Eastern Europe where our dollars and influence could really do some good.
We need to concentrate everything else on this hemisphere. Build more posts along the Mexican border and train train train.
We also need to continue to upgrade our AI forces and our remote controlled forces. I keep hearing great things about some new technology we have and more than is coming.
Troopless combat is the way of the future.
We also need to decide what we're going to do with North Korea. Trump will fix it during his second term.
It has to be a strategic withdrawal and you have to be willing, and hopeful, to draw bad guys out in the process and lay waste to their asses in order to give you an chance to stick around awhile longer.
We need to get out of all of those places and honestly I would like to see us empty our bases in Germany as well.
Leave the ones in Italy and keep sharing in The UK and keep our bases in Saudia Arabia.
Refuse to get involved in Africa no matter what the NWO wants.
Move our German bases to Poland and elsewhere in Eastern Europe where our dollars and influence could really do some good.
We need to concentrate everything else on this hemisphere. Build more posts along the Mexican border and train train train.
We also need to continue to upgrade our AI forces and our remote controlled forces. I keep hearing great things about some new technology we have and more than is coming.
Troopless combat is the way of the future.
We also need to decide what we're going to do with North Korea. Trump will fix it during his second term.
Posted on 12/12/19 at 10:06 pm to KosmoCramer
Leave
Let them fight for their own freedom if they truly want it and if they even understand want it means.
Let them build their own nation. There aren't many success stories in recent years that came about as a result of seemingly endless U.S. involvement in a country or region.
Let them fight for their own freedom if they truly want it and if they even understand want it means.
Let them build their own nation. There aren't many success stories in recent years that came about as a result of seemingly endless U.S. involvement in a country or region.
Posted on 12/12/19 at 10:07 pm to scrooster
quote:
You cannot pull out too fast or you leave a vacuum
Which is a pretty good reminder of why to not get involved in the first damn place
Posted on 12/12/19 at 10:08 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:thank you for your non-service
I've never served
Posted on 12/12/19 at 10:11 pm to KosmoCramer
Only presence in those areas should be in Kurdish parts of Iraq and Syria.
Posted on 12/12/19 at 10:13 pm to KosmoCramer
Leave because we’re involved with states that will never have a good outcome. Also our involvement pisses people off.
Keep solid intelligence assets in these regions to ensure nothing is happening (ie Al Qaeda) that can hit us here.
Keep solid intelligence assets in these regions to ensure nothing is happening (ie Al Qaeda) that can hit us here.
Posted on 12/12/19 at 10:14 pm to Kafka
quote:
thank you for your non-service
Buy me lunch
Posted on 12/12/19 at 10:19 pm to KosmoCramer
If you go, you set a goal with a time limit. If you are unable to accomplish the goal within a reasonable amount of time, then you are OUT. The only exception would be all out war that can not stop until the enemy surrenders.
Terrorism will always be there. This is different than war.
Terrorism will always be there. This is different than war.
Posted on 12/12/19 at 11:25 pm to KosmoCramer
Nation building is a lost cause always is.
However, if we leave a huge vacuum will occur and 10 years or less from now we will be fighting more and much worse off.
How about we take the gloves off and fight a war.
However, if we leave a huge vacuum will occur and 10 years or less from now we will be fighting more and much worse off.
How about we take the gloves off and fight a war.
Posted on 12/13/19 at 4:49 am to Kafka
quote:
thank you for your non-service
Posted on 12/13/19 at 5:36 am to KosmoCramer
Whether you served or not should have minimal bearing on your opinion in this matter.
The unfortunate statistic is that the true "1%" are those who actually serve in the Armed Forces, as less than 1% of the U.S. Population actually serve. When you have that much of a disparity, it becomes harder and harder for those in the profession of arms to relate to those they serve.
The unfortunate statistic is that the true "1%" are those who actually serve in the Armed Forces, as less than 1% of the U.S. Population actually serve. When you have that much of a disparity, it becomes harder and harder for those in the profession of arms to relate to those they serve.
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