I’ve been thinking about Bush’s bullhorn speech from ground zero.

Fact, anything good for America will be attacked by the mentally ill filth.

It was a great speech and it was great for national morale where we were all one big American family. And it was heavily appreciated.

Too bad he completely destroyed all the goodwill from that moment by committing one of the most catastrophic foreign policy blunders in American history.

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Too bad he completely destroyed all the goodwill from that moment by committing one of the most catastrophic foreign policy blunders in American history.

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You’re right. He did cozy up to China way too much.

May have been his finest moment as President.

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It was a great speech and it was great for national morale where we were all one big American family. And it was heavily appreciated.

Too bad he completely destroyed all the goodwill from that moment by committing one of the most catastrophic foreign policy blunders in American history.

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Your memory ain’t right. The dimocratix saw all the goodwill and patriotism in the country and set out to sabotage it, forthwith. That camaraderie lasted maybe two weeks before the dimocratix started sniping at President Bush.

It was 18 months later when we invaded Iraq.

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I don’t believe given the same situation the response would be similar today.

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That would be a prayer answered as far as I am concerned. As it is, I am thankful to heaven that an ever-growing percentage of “conservative” voters are coming to the realization that the entire Bush clan was a gang of criminals writ large.

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I watched it live and still get goosebumps watching it now.

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If I was forced to watch that speech again, it no doubt would bring tears to my eyes.

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Yeah, and we’ve lost about 5,000 troops. We lost 10 times that in Vietnam and 6 or 7 times that in Korea.

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You're forgetting the trillions of our tax dollars spent there. Trillions spent for literally nothing positive in the long run.

We've spent nearly 7 trillion in the mideast on Afghanistan and Iraq.

We spent 170 billion in Vietnam which would be 1 trillion in today's dollars.

We spent 30 billion in Korea which would be 276 billion in today's dollars.

It's the most expensive and catastrophic foreign policy blunder in American history.

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I have no problem calling it a mistake, but “one of the most catastrophic foreign policy blunders in American history.”? Come on.

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It completely destabilized the mideast and led to the rise of ISIS and the taliban is still around and just forced the United States into a "peace deal" just to get out.

It also led to disastrous involvement in Syria and Africa as well.

Your cost numbers are, shall we say, disputed. You’re using the upper estimates of the left, which says something.

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It completely destabilized the mideast

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Yeah, because it was stable as shite before then. Again, 1/10th the deaths of Vietnam, just to compare it to one foreign policy decision. Call it a mistake all you like, but don’t use bullshite numbers to pump it up into something it wasn’t.

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Nobody forced Bush to invade Iraq and Afghanistan and double down and quadruple down on it. He's the goddamn President.

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I’m not disputing that.......just your idiotic assertion that Bush destroyed the country’s camaraderie and goodwill from the rubble speech by invading Iraq. Those feelings of patriotism were long gone by the time we invaded Iraq over a year and a half later.

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It's the most expensive and catastrophic foreign policy blunder in American history.

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That is without question.

The Iraq War itself was predicated on the lies and deceit of our corrupt national security apparatus. Civil libertarians have long warned that the day would come when those forces would attempt a coup d'état within our own shores.

That day has now arrived. The impeachment witch-hunt and the utter corruption of the intelligence community was made possible by the rise of the post 9/11 Surveillance State and the abuses of the FISA courts whose powers were greatly expanded during the War on Terror®.

Our nation’s founding fathers repeatedly warned that permanent war and standing armies are the bane of Liberty. How prescient they were:

“There are instruments so dangerous to the rights of the nation and which place them so totally at the mercy of their governors that those governors, whether legislative or executive, should be restrained from keeping such instruments on foot but in well-defined cases. Such an instrument is a standing army.” Thomas Jefferson.


“Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other.” James Madison.