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re: It’s time to raise the voting age to 25
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:36 pm to FairhopeTider
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:36 pm to FairhopeTider
We should tie the value of your vote to the % of your income that you pay in taxes. Those that pay more should have more say. If you want more say, you should pay more in taxes.
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Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:39 pm to mwade91383
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Lol. That's now the standard? If it hasn't happened in awhile it doesn't matter? Can you share with us some examples of other places in our laws/rights that model applies?
Move along.
This is what you replied to, genius.
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it’s an all volunteer army, navy, marines, etc.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:41 pm to Mo Jeaux
Dig a deeper hole, idiot. You're incapable of hurting anyone's feelings.
Moving the goal posts is fun.
Moving the goal posts is fun.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:42 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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raise the voting age to 25 by GeauxxxTigers23
Not sure I am old enuff to vote now. Lets raise it to 60.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:44 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
I think it should go by income. Maybe everyone who makes over 30k a year get to vote and own guns .
Another way would be to have people take a test on the different policies when they go to vote . At the end of the test show which candidate they agree with and either they agree to vote for that person or don’t vote at all . This would make people actually vote for what they believe in rather then who they are told to vote for .
Another way would be to have people take a test on the different policies when they go to vote . At the end of the test show which candidate they agree with and either they agree to vote for that person or don’t vote at all . This would make people actually vote for what they believe in rather then who they are told to vote for .
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:44 pm to Argonaut
The fact that our military is all volunteer at the moment is completely irrelevant. That's the point.
It's like trying to make the case to say, "no, you're only 18 you can't vote. Unless we start a war and another draft (and legally force you to fight), THEN you can vote."
It's nonsense.
It's like trying to make the case to say, "no, you're only 18 you can't vote. Unless we start a war and another draft (and legally force you to fight), THEN you can vote."
It's nonsense.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:53 pm to mwade91383
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The fact that our military is all volunteer at the moment is completely irrelevant. That's the point.
Wrong. He said we have an all-volunteer military, which is correct. You were wrong.
Your understanding of conscription is inadequate for the points you've attempted to make. That's a separate discussion, though, but one I'm certainly willing to have if necessary.
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It's like trying to make the case to say, "no, you're only 18 you can't vote. Unless we start a war and another draft (and legally force you to fight), THEN you can vote."
No it isn't. You define specific limitations, and then adhere to them, exactly like we do now. You just don't like the proposed limitations.
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It's nonsense.
Your inability to understand a different perspective or opinion does not make it nonsense.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:03 pm to Argonaut
Are you telling me the SSS no longer effectively exists and we couldn't have another draft if we felt the need? I'm not even trolling, tell me where I'm wrong. I'm reading about right now in several places, seems pretty clear.
Or could you give me one example, of a law or right, that just went away because we haven't used in a while? How is it relevant that our military NOW is all volunteer, even though we know it might not be at some point in the future?
But fine, if semantics are that important to you, you can have it. Forget my entire draft argument. I'll go back to them being tried as adults as my main point. I'll say it again, If they have the responsibility of adults when they behave poorly, they certainly get to have it (voting) when they don't.
Or could you give me one example, of a law or right, that just went away because we haven't used in a while? How is it relevant that our military NOW is all volunteer, even though we know it might not be at some point in the future?
But fine, if semantics are that important to you, you can have it. Forget my entire draft argument. I'll go back to them being tried as adults as my main point. I'll say it again, If they have the responsibility of adults when they behave poorly, they certainly get to have it (voting) when they don't.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:23 pm to mwade91383
No, I'm telling you that the statement below is wrong.
It isn't a simple matter of "semantics," either. You used an incorrect understanding as the foundation of your point.
You didn't register for "the draft." No one has done that since the early 70's. You registered for the Selective Service System, which is not a draft. It's a bad point, and I was simply pointing that out.
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You mean we weren't all legally obligated to register for the draft when we turned 18???
It isn't a simple matter of "semantics," either. You used an incorrect understanding as the foundation of your point.
You didn't register for "the draft." No one has done that since the early 70's. You registered for the Selective Service System, which is not a draft. It's a bad point, and I was simply pointing that out.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:27 pm to Argonaut
Fair, thanks for the correction. There is a difference between registering for the SSS and being drafted, I agree.
That said, again, how is it relevant to this argument? Or is it?
That said, again, how is it relevant to this argument? Or is it?
Posted on 3/30/18 at 2:00 pm to mwade91383
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Fair, thanks for the correction. There is a difference between registering for the SSS and being drafted, I agree.
That said, again, how is it relevant to this argument? Or is it?
I'd have to go back and look, but I believe this stemmed from an argument that military service should grant someone the right to vote under the hypothetical proposed in the original post. Volunteering for military service isn't the same as registering for the Selective Service System, and that wouldn't really apply to the argument that "if you're willing to fight for your country..." or whatever.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 2:09 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
you Repubs should be very afraid of the young voters.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 2:47 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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It’s time to raise the voting age to 25
I would prefer that in order to vote you have to either be a tax payer or land owner or over the age of 65.
Unemployed or students could not vote. Get a job and be a productive member of society if you want to be able to vote.
How would that change the demographics politics in America?
Posted on 3/30/18 at 4:59 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Let's make it 85 and I'm in!
Posted on 3/30/18 at 5:07 pm to Dignan
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I think what you mean is that no Democrats should be allowed to vote until 25.
Sounds good to me, but let's not stop while we are on a roll. Let's just say they get to vote when they are dead like they already do.
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