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re: Its time, end dual citizenship.

Posted on 12/4/25 at 10:44 pm to
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
6301 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 10:44 pm to
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They can't vote in India. It is no different than having a permanent travel visa. So, what is your exact concern?

Its exactly what it is its a non voting citizenship.
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
28474 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 10:50 pm to
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Sounds very different than its my birthright dont you dare try to take it away.

I said that to you because I don't need to answer to you in any way, shape, or fashion. You seem to have an issue with it, the United States Navy didn't.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
6301 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 10:58 pm to
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I said that to you because I don't need to answer to you in any way, shape, or fashion. You seem to have an issue with it, the United States Navy didn't.


Dude you are being inconsistent, that's what you are getting called out on.

You told the navy something totally different than you are saying here.

You also were fine with people who arent you getting their citizenship limited to one, but not you.
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
28474 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 11:05 pm to
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Dude you are being inconsistent, that's what you are getting called out on.

You told the navy something totally different than you are saying here.

You also were fine with people who arent you getting their citizenship limited to one, but not you.

I don't give a frick what you think of any of it. You and your opinion are completely irrelevant. You've been treating this as some sort of loyalty test to America. It's not your place to do that, and you can frick off.
This post was edited on 12/4/25 at 11:11 pm
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
28474 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 11:29 pm to
Dual Nationality

Section 101(a)(22) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) states that “the term ‘national of the United States’ means (A) a citizen of the United States, or (B) a person who, though not a citizen of the United States, owes permanent allegiance to the United States.” Therefore, U.S. citizens are also U.S. nationals. Non-citizen nationality status refers only individuals who were born either in American Samoa or on Swains Island to parents who are not citizens of the United States. The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a national of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own nationality laws based on its own policy. Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. national parents may be both a U.S. national and a national of the country of birth. Or, an individual having one nationality at birth may naturalize at a later date in another country and become a dual national.

U.S. law does not impede its citizens' acquisition of foreign citizenship whether by birth, descent, naturalization or other form of acquisition, by imposing requirements of permission from U.S. courts or any governmental agency. If a foreign country's law permits parents to apply for citizenship on behalf of minor children, nothing in U.S. law impedes U.S. citizen parents from doing so.

U.S. law does not require a U.S. citizen to choose between U.S. citizenship and another (foreign) nationality (or nationalities). A U.S. citizen may naturalize in a foreign state without any risk to their U.S. citizenship.

U.S. dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country (or countries, if they are nationals of more than one). They are required to obey the laws of both countries, and either country has the right to enforce its laws. Claims of other countries upon U.S. dual-nationals may result in conflicting obligations under the laws of each country. U.S. dual nationals may also face restrictions in the U.S. consular protections available to U.S. nationals abroad, particularly in the country of their other nationality.

U.S. nationals, including U.S. dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. U.S. dual nationals may also be required by the country of their foreign nationality to use that country’s passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport to travel to or from a country other than the United States is not inconsistent with U.S. law.

You can find additional information on dual nationality and the potential challenges for international travelers here.
Posted by TFH
Member since Apr 2016
3497 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 11:30 pm to
Yeah I don’t get this. My cousin got Italian citizenship because his dad’s side is Italian. My friend got Irish because of her husband. Many people have dual for perfectly normal reasons and aren’t scamming shite.
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
28219 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 11:49 pm to
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Why do you feel the need to take it?




Because you're either American or not. At the age of 21 either choose or have it chosen for you.
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
42260 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 11:51 pm to
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Yeah. Let's throw all logic out of the window because if a pole vaulter lol


He was just an example.
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
28474 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 11:54 pm to
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Because you're either American or not. At the age of 21 either choose or have it chosen for you.

Your feelings are irrelevant. The laws of this country allow dual citizenship and do not require you to renounce citizenship of another country, nor can renunciation be chosen for you.
This post was edited on 12/4/25 at 11:56 pm
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
28219 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 11:55 pm to
And they need to be changed.
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
28474 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 11:57 pm to
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And they need to be changed.

Good luck with that. The "chosen for you" part is a non-starter.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
6301 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 12:17 am to
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I don't give a frick what you think of any of it. You and your opinion are completely irrelevant. You've been treating this as some sort of loyalty test to America. It's not your place to do that, and you can frick off.


It's a free country and your opinion doesnt matter any more than mine does.

And yes, we have tens of millions here who have or qualify for dual citizenship.

We have people waving Mexican flags at US police.

We have congress people with citizenship of Somolia saying they are representing Somalia.

Its a problem of loyalty.

While I dont really think Canada is a problem, no law could survive a legal challenge if it only excluded some citizenships.
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
28474 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 12:48 am to
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Its a problem of loyalty.

Maybe for you it is. And for flag-waving Mexicans and brother-fricking Somalians. I won't abide you questioning my loyalty.

The Moreno bill does not pass Constitutional muster. The Supreme Court decided years ago that Congress has no power to strip a citizen of nationality without the citizen's voluntary renunciation. You can look up Afroyim v. Rusk, 387 U.S. 253 (1967) and Vance v. Terrazas, 444 U.S. 252 (1980), if you like.

Posted by MusclesofBrussels
Member since Dec 2015
4941 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 12:52 am to
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Saint Alfonzo


You seem like a massive pansy which makes sense given the Canada thing
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
28474 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 12:54 am to
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You seem like a massive pansy which makes sense given the Canada thing

frick off, pussy, adults are talking.
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
28219 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 12:54 am to
If you don't want to be an American go to Canada with your limp-wristed cousins.
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
28474 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 12:58 am to
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If you don't want to be an American go to Canada with your limp-wristed cousins

I swear you people are fricking retarded. When did I ever say that I didn’t want to be an American, you drooling Mongoloid? I am American, a three-time Trump-voting veteran at that, and you can eat an entire bowl of dicks.
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
28219 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 1:01 am to
Then be an American and give up the other citizenship.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
18915 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 1:04 am to
This doesnt "solve" anything. Can someone explain what it fixes?

The real reason seems to be another veiled attempt, rather overt attempt, at antisemitism.

But hey, as long as we continue to attack Jews and East Indians.....we wont look at the 100s of billions in fraud in all levels of govt. Sounds like a strategy as old as mankind itself.
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
28474 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 1:11 am to
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Then be an American and give up the other citizenship.

I’ve posted info from the State Department that describes dual nationality laws. I’ve also listed two Supreme Court cases that set lawful precedent for dual citizenship and renunciation of it. You’re more than welcome to educate yourself. Giving up my Canadian citizenship is not something I need to do, nor am I inclined to do. Y’all can bitch about it all you want, it has no bearing on me whatsoever.
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