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It's interesting that so many have missed what the battle concerning NN is about
Posted on 11/25/17 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 11/25/17 at 9:38 pm
The whole idea is who gets to censor and control the narrative. Under NN, the tech giants can censor who they like, control the information they like, etc.
If that goes away, the telecoms can control/censor as they like by restricting access.
The only difference is the telecoms are regulated under the FCC. The silicon tech giants are not.
But reddit told you NN is good because Soros and the PR bots kept pushing the idiocy at you.
If that goes away, the telecoms can control/censor as they like by restricting access.
The only difference is the telecoms are regulated under the FCC. The silicon tech giants are not.
But reddit told you NN is good because Soros and the PR bots kept pushing the idiocy at you.
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Posted on 11/25/17 at 9:43 pm to CptBengal
Posted on 11/25/17 at 9:44 pm to CptBengal
This is 1984 type stuff. It'll lead to bloodshed.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 9:45 pm to Number2
thats why all those organizations who like to censor because it's "their platforms" are for NN?
el oh el.
el oh el.
This post was edited on 11/25/17 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 11/25/17 at 10:23 pm to CptBengal
Cpt is, once again, through the looking glass.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 2:40 am to CptBengal
What tech giants are you talking about?
How could a tech giant, say, censor Tigerdroppings?
NOTE - An ISP could, if not censor, than disrupt it by slowing it down. But what tech giants are you talking about, what would they do exactly?
How could a tech giant, say, censor Tigerdroppings?
NOTE - An ISP could, if not censor, than disrupt it by slowing it down. But what tech giants are you talking about, what would they do exactly?
Posted on 11/26/17 at 6:25 am to Eurocat
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What tech giants are you talking about?
How could a tech giant, say, censor Tigerdroppings?
Are you really this stupid? Let's say TD no longer shows up in a Google or Yahoo search. Or any use who posts on TD is removed from Twitter. Or the server farm refuses to host.
Or they refuse to run and provide Google advertising. Take your pick.... and those are only the overt basic methods
Posted on 11/26/17 at 7:27 am to CptBengal
quote:The problem I have with NN is we are only in this position because our government awarded local monopolies. Sans that, there would be no NN dialogue.
It's interesting that so many have missed what the battle concerning NN is about
The whole idea is who gets to censor and control the narrative. Under NN, the tech giants can censor who they like, control the information they like, etc.
Had local monopolies not been issued, competition would dictate behavior. Networks would aggressively move to fiber, and at those speeds / bandwidth, NN would be a nonentity.
Under current circumstances instead of competition, we are hoping that the same monopoly-granting institutions exercise new and mystically acquired wisdom to actually effectively regulate monopolies they created.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:35 am to Eurocat
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What tech giants are you talking about?
If you don't think the tech giants censor what you see baw then you're just straight up dumb.
This post was edited on 11/26/17 at 8:38 am
Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:37 am to CptBengal
Even if Google we’re to delist TD, I have plenty of search engines to choose from. Also I can just type in the web address.
If Comcast decides to not let TD show up, well changing my ISP is more complicated and I have a lot fewer choices.
If Comcast decides to not let TD show up, well changing my ISP is more complicated and I have a lot fewer choices.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:40 am to CptBengal
I will say this. I've noticed that all of the net neutrality folks on this Forum try to claim some massive Gap in knowledge between themselves and everyone else. And of course it's an anonymous board so I have no way of knowing
However in social media where I know the people on the other end of the opinion there is absolutely no getting around it. The net neutrality folks are predictably the people I have the least respect for in terms of Education experience and success. I mean it's not even close.
Among the people I know via social media there's almost a perfect dividing line that if you had asked me a year ago to predict who would think what I could have done it simply by circling the people on one side of the dividing line. I wouldn't have missed by more than 10%
However in social media where I know the people on the other end of the opinion there is absolutely no getting around it. The net neutrality folks are predictably the people I have the least respect for in terms of Education experience and success. I mean it's not even close.
Among the people I know via social media there's almost a perfect dividing line that if you had asked me a year ago to predict who would think what I could have done it simply by circling the people on one side of the dividing line. I wouldn't have missed by more than 10%
Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:40 am to CorporateTiger
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I have plenty of search engines to choose from
Most people aren't that smart bruh.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:42 am to bamarep
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If you don't think the tech giants censor what you see baw then you're just straight up dumb.
If you don’t understand the difference between the content and the gateway to the content then you shouldn’t be having a discussion about NN.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:48 am to bamarep
And so obviously if they aren’t smart enough to switch search engines, they will be able to switch ISPs if TD was ever blocked. Give me a fricking break
Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:56 am to CptBengal
Most people don't care
Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:58 am to CorporateTiger
Do any of you net neutrality Folks at least play Devil's Advocate with yourself?
I mean when you think of all of the what ifs that you guys list do you ever think two to three steps past the what if?
You guys all seem to speak about the what ifs as if they will happen and time will stop.
I mean when you think of all of the what ifs that you guys list do you ever think two to three steps past the what if?
You guys all seem to speak about the what ifs as if they will happen and time will stop.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:02 am to ShortyRob
My issue is that both sides are fricking evil.
There literally is no winner here.
There literally is no winner here.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:03 am to ShortyRob
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Do any of you net neutrality Folks at least play Devil's Advocate with yourself?
I mean sure. I dislike government beaurocracy. I wish some proposed a realistic plan to repeal the anti-competitive laws passed on a state and local level. If we had an actual free market for ISPs then this would great. Unfortunately we don’t.
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I mean when you think of all of the what ifs that you guys list do you ever think two to three steps past the what if?
Yes, what is the magical solution here? Are you just proposing that we base policy decisions on the hope that wireless internet develops at the rate you hope it does? Instead of letting it develop then repealing NN?
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You guys all seem to speak about the what ifs as if they will happen and time will stop.
These what ifs won’t happen, but it’s important to change the law so they could happen. Even though they won’t. But we should give them a chance, even though they won’t happen.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:04 am to ShortyRob
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I mean when you think of all of the what ifs that you guys list do you ever think two to three steps past the what if?
You guys all seem to speak about the what ifs as if they will happen and time will stop.
Bc there is already evidence of ISPs doing these things and some of them had already proposed to put fast lanes into action before NN went live.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:08 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Bc there is already evidence of ISPs doing these things and some of them had already proposed to put fast lanes into action before NN went live.
Did you read my post because this isn't a response to me post at all.
I asked if you ever play devil's advocate and ask what happens AFTER your what ifs?
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