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re: It’s frightening how many people are ok with what they are doing to Trump.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 3:23 pm to FairhopeTider
Posted on 6/10/23 at 3:23 pm to FairhopeTider
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If he broke the law
Motherfricker IF is what I noted from the get go. Until he is proven guilty, then he is innocent.
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Posted on 6/10/23 at 3:26 pm to CelticDog
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is it for life?
Ironic given who your leader is…
Posted on 6/10/23 at 3:31 pm to jimmy the leg
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is a direct quote from you.
And it's accurate. There is opportunity for fraud in the system for signature verification and ballot custody.
But that's different from, "Katie Hobbs beat Kari Lake by fraud" - you need some evidence of it happening to credibly make that argument.
There's fraud in probably every election that matters. So what matters is what you can prove, or at least have evidence of. Even in the system we should have (vote in person, voter ID), there are avenues for fraud.
I've said from the beginning I would enthusiastically jump onboard any "stop the steal" effort to remove Hobbs. A week before the election in a thread on here, I laughed at someone suggesting KL might lose the election - I was that certain she'd win, even though (and I had posted about this, too) she ran a completely retarded campaign.
Absent actual evidence to the contrary, what has me convinced that Hobbs beat Lake isn't the number of votes Hobbs got. It's the number of votes KL got, and nobody has even suggested that somehow her vote tally was undercounted - and the disenfranchisement argument is BS.
The fact is that Kari Lake, essentially running on the same very popular Doug Ducey platform (2-term R governor), got 100K less votes than Ducey received in 2018, even though Ducey's race was a runaway - nobody worried about turnout, he beat his opponent by 15 points, and in fact only spent something like $1.5MM of a $5MM campaign fund. KL's race was very close, she spent $15MM, and she also benefited by the Republican party adding 150,000 voters to its rolls since 2018. Add that all up - a tight race vs a runaway, all that spending, all that emotion, and KL should have pulled 250K more votes than Ducey. But she told McCain supporters to stay home, and unfortunately some of them were stupid enough to follow her suggestion.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 3:45 pm to David_DJS
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But that's different from, "Katie Hobbs beat Kari Lake by fraud"
I stand by what I said, I don’t believe that Hobbs beat Kari without fraud.
My take on that election (and others in swing states)…
Posted on 6/10/23 at 3:51 pm to jimmy the leg
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I stand by what I said, I don’t believe that Hobbs beat Kari without fraud.
My take on that election (and others in swing states)…
You're entitled to an opinion regardless of whether or not it squares with facts and logic. And I understand it to a degree, I was shocked that KL lost. Hobbs is trash, but the Left is more comfortable with its trash than the Right tends to be. And when you look KL votes, there's some understanding there.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 3:55 pm to David_DJS
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You're entitled to an opinion regardless of whether or not it squares with facts and logic.
So Hobbs won without any fraud at all?
No offense, but not trusting the political foot soldiers of this guy is hardly an illogical position:
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 6/10/23 at 3:59 pm to loogaroo
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It’s frightening how many people are ok with what they are doing to Trump.
"...what they are doing to Trump."
Trump - forever a victim.
The Trumptards claim victimhood more than the alphabet crowd.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 4:05 pm to Message Board User
Add another Ronbot to team DOJ. Pathetic pussy.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 4:06 pm to Jjdoc
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It's sick to see "Conservatives" join in on that because their guy can not win any other way.
So we should subscribe to your version of what is true? And it should be unanimous group think. I'll make up my own mind about Trump or DeSantis or Tim Scott. I don't need any help or persuasion (verbal arm twisting) to do that.
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 6/10/23 at 4:08 pm to loogaroo
I’m very pleased that Trump is finally being held accountable for his actions. He has now been held liable in a civil court for sexually assaulting a woman. He has been indicted in Manhattan for falsifying business records related to paying off a porn star. He has now been indicted with federal charges for mishandling documents. He likely faces an additional federal indictment for his actions precipitating an insurrection. He likely faces indictment for his efforts to overthrow an election in Georgia. I’m proud to be in a country that actually applies the “no one is above the law” principles.
Let me know when we have a fraudulent election. I would not be okay with that. Thankfully, that has not happened despite Trump’s best efforts to disenfranchise millions of African Americans that voted in the 2020 election.
Let me know when we have a fraudulent election. I would not be okay with that. Thankfully, that has not happened despite Trump’s best efforts to disenfranchise millions of African Americans that voted in the 2020 election.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 4:09 pm to jimmy the leg
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So Hobbs won without any fraud at all?
I just got done saying there's likely fraud in every election that matters. You saw that, right?
So the question is - what evidence do you have that there was enough fraud that it made a difference in the results? And you have zero evidence of fraud.
I think the '22 AZ governor election boils down to two things -
1. There is no credible evidence that's been brought to light of fraud. Certainly on a scale that matters, there isn't.
2. We can sit around and wonder about cheating, and how much there might have been while there's no proof of any, but the fact is Kari Lake had a layup, and she fricked it up by playing to the retarded faction of MAGA. What voters did she gain by trashing McCain that weren't going to vote for her anyway? And compare that number (maybe 3?) to the number of longtime McCain supporters that wanted to support KL, but were completely turned off by her rhetoric. McCain was losing popularity towards the end pretty fast (I was never a big fan), but he was still the most prominent political figure in AZ the last 25 years. Moreover, it was a f'n Obama girl flicking shite at people who supported McCain in the past.
Those numbers I posted are real - there's no way you can explain away her pulling 100K less votes than Ducey got in '18, in a state that's only 30% Dem, had added 100K Republican voters since 2018, and Ducey's race was so uncompetitive nobody worried about making it to the polls. Arizona was a layup for KL.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 4:11 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
Jj is merely doing precisely the concept to which you refer: asserting his position and opinion. If you’re taking from that an effort by Jj to twist your arm into feeling a certain way, I’d suggest a introspective look into the self and explore why you feel the need to interpret things in such a paranoid manner.
All due respect.
All due respect.
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 6/10/23 at 4:12 pm to Message Board User
Look at this communazi.
Do your leftist handlers know that you mocked the alphabet mafia?
Could be big trouble for you in the commune tonight.
Do your leftist handlers know that you mocked the alphabet mafia?
Could be big trouble for you in the commune tonight.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 4:14 pm to jimmy the leg
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Look at this communazi.
Do your leftist handlers know that you mocked the alphabet mafia?
Could be big trouble for you in the commune tonight.
That's ok - I'll be too busy with your mom to care what anyone else is doing.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 4:15 pm to David_DJS
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I just got done saying there's likely fraud in every election that matters. You saw that, right?
Yes, shall I quote it for you?
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what evidence do you have that there was enough fraud that it made a difference in the results?
At what point did I say that I had that evidence? Link?
I stated an opinion based on common sense and logic.
I still am of the opinion that there is no way that Hobbs won without fraud.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 4:17 pm to jimmy the leg
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I stated an opinion based on common sense and logic.
Well, I guess this is where we differ. My common sense and logic are rooted in, you know, real world stuff like facts, numbers, etc. You're going on a feeling.
It's instructive you haven't responded the KL voting. I wonder why that is.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 4:19 pm to davyjones
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All due respect.
Thanks. The answer is to not participate on this stupid board. Because truth be told, I don't like Trump anymore. I guess you can now place me into the group that was the 81 million plus who didn't vote for him last time, this time. So you guys can post your screed. Just know that there are individuals out here who will do the opposite of what you'd like. Trump ain't gonna win.
I hope he asks for a speedy trial(s). But he won't.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 4:20 pm to Message Board User
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That's ok - I'll be too busy with your mom to care what anyone else is doing.
She is going to a drag show tonight.
What time are you performing?
Hank wants to know.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 4:21 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
So you are now a Biden guy.
At least you are honest about it.
At least you are honest about it.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 4:22 pm to jimmy the leg
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So you are now a Biden guy.
Aren't we allowed to post?
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