re: Israel bombs Catholic Church in Lebanon

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This is one of my theological issues with Jewish morality, it’s considered acceptable to do this.

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Civilians die in every war. Punitive and otherwise. In all history.

It’s not specific to Jews or Israel.

shite, the United States leveled Germany and Japan. Not to mention Vietnam. Winning a war requires breaking the other sides will to keep going.

As I said, don’t start wars if you don’t want civilians to die. Because they will, every time.

Look, I'm not really going to morally fault Israel that much. Israel does what is in Israel's best interest. If I were the Israeli prime minister, I doubt I'd be acting any nicer to the Palestinians or the Lebanese than Netanyahu is.

With that being said, there is a tendency for people on here to act like the Israeli self-interest is interchangeable with the US self interest.

I don't think there's really a moral or immoral side in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Similar to the fights between white people and the Native Americans, it's a fight between two sides that are pretty understandably both fighting for their own self-interest.

But I'm not sure why the US has to get involved in the Israeli/Palestine conflict. What's in it for us?

Wow, this thread is insane. Israel has been attacked daily for years and morons here think that the Israeli military said, "Hey lets not target terrorist lets bomb that Catholic Church over there just so we can kill Catholics." Who the hell is really that stupid? ESPECIALLY when these terrorist force civilians to stay in buildings they just fired rockets from.

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I am an atheist and view Judaism, Christianity and Islam as all being incorrect.

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God has already revealed himself to the godless like you, though you deny the Truth. It’s plainly obvious to you that God and Jesus exists as they have shown themselves and their creation to you. You can clearly see God’s power and presence, so you will be without excuse when you end up cast into the eternal fire.

You know God exists, but you are lying to your foolish self. You reject God because you hate him. You just want to sin and not be held accountable. No one can actually just not believe in God.

Will this further increase the Catholic vote for Trump?

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The issue from a Christian perspective is that the Israelis target the civilian population in reprisal attacks. It’s immoral by our standard.

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On the one hand Israeli rules of engagement are like the rules of engagement we followed in World War II when we firebombed Dresden and Tokyo and then wiped out Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Our rules of engagement were a lot tighter in Iraq and Afghanistan, and while they sometimes changed situationally, and while a lot of civilians were killed, we tried to minimize those casualties on the whole. It’s why the number are of civilian deaths seem so astronomical to many Americans, but it’s the world that changed, not Israel. I don’t think it’s any secret that Netanyahu is striking back at Hamas and Hezbollah, but also trying to make up for the fact that Israel has had a demographic problem since the 90s where Palestinians just have more kids than Israelis. He is trying to reset their population numbers by making sure as many Palestinians are killed as possible. There is a grim logic to it.


Now by like Catholic “Just War” standards, it is evil, but Israel is not Catholic, (the majority of them don’t even believe in God) and so I don’t know why pointing that out should matter to them. And I don’t think it should matter to the vast majority of Americans who aren’t Catholic either.

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Hezbollah was a reaction to Israel in Lebanon Why was Israel in southern Lebanon? The PLO under Arafat was there in Southern Lebanon making excursions into Northern Israel killing Jews, you know the poor Palestinians everyone loves. Israel did not want to annex Lebanon

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Yeah Lebanon was already engaged in an ongoing civil war between the Catholics and Sunni Muslims when Israel invaded, which is what allowed the militant arm of the PLO to operate with impunity in the south. One of the stories about Israel’s invasion is that the soldiers were briefed on Catholicism and Sunni Islam because those were the most prominent religious groups in the cities and because those were the main factions in the ongoing Civil War. What they weren’t prepared for at all is that the vast majority of rural Lebanon is Shiite and were immediately furious at a Jewish presence in their homeland and so they began a serious of car and suicide bombs that eventually made Israel pull out. It’d be like if we were invaded and the army was briefed on liberals in cities and suburban republicans and then say a reinvigorated KKK started a terror campaign in rural areas and eventually drove them out, but then we were left with a country where suddenly the Klan had a significant amount of power despite being mostly hated by both the suburban republicans and the city dwelling liberals.