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re: Israel and the Gaza Strip

Posted on 5/11/21 at 3:18 pm to
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63590 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 3:18 pm to
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First of all, There has always been Jewish people there.


Well, not always. But what does that have to do with anything?
Posted by BlackHelicopterPilot
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Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 3:18 pm to
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This is basic historical fact. Again, it can't be a coincidence that they have had issues every single place they tried to settle.


meh...

They were "outsiders" for most of their history and kept to their traditions (which were different than their "hosts"

They were, since "outsiders", relegated to 'poor' areas. Before disease transmission was understood well, they would be blamed for plagues, etc

They could loan money / charge interest. This made them become GOOD at the math of finance. They prospered and when others defaulted...the "jew" was hated


There are many reasons why they were "despised" . It is childish to say "they were hated, so they must have misbehaved"

Much more nuanced

This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 3:19 pm
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 3:20 pm to
Yeah it is an Onion article as someone else mentioned.

A checkmarked zionist twitterer did request anyone working at the Onion to out the author of that article for the anti semitism of it though...
Posted by Old Money
LSU
Member since Sep 2012
41766 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 3:21 pm to
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Don't forget the semen. And the "may his bones be crushed forever" curse. And the part where his mother Mary is a whore that laid with a Roman soldier.


Islam respects Jesus, unlike Judiasm. The Quran has his virgin birth, his miracles, and so many more tales. No more brother wars.
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 3:22 pm
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19553 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 3:22 pm to
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Problem is Israel can't win without our help. If the Arab world decided to come together and attack Israel then Israel would get obliterated without our help.


Holy shite you are stupid. Go look up the 6-Day War and try that ignorant line of non-thinking again.
Posted by BlackHelicopterPilot
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 3:22 pm to
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The people of Israel won no war in 1945 that lead to a choice of where the people would settle and have a nation state in 1948. It was decided for them by picking one of many possible places on a map.


Okay?

The Allies WON the fricking war and decided it would be easier to help them defend one place than to risk what just happened. The VICTORS of a huge war decided it. THEY (the War WINNERS) made a strategic decision.

You seem hung up on a War Winner...well, War Winners decided it.
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 3:23 pm to
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They were "outsiders" for most of their history and kept to their traditions (which were different than their "hosts"


They refused to assimilate to the group.

Mostly disliked for human sacrifice if we are being honest. And letting and encouraging the muslims into Spain and Constantinople.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55614 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 3:23 pm to
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What War did Jewish people win in 1945 that entitled them to those lands?


What war did we win to entitle us to the USA in 1764?

That's the exact same mentality.


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he cause of those military men and politicians to meet in a boardroom to pick one of four places on a map for a State of Israel to be created? See the issue here with your logic and the logic of others on here?


They won the civil war when it was fought. Just like we did and not before then.

Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 3:24 pm to
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Go look up the 6-Day War

The one where Israel bombed an unsuspecting US ship, killing a bunch of American sailors?
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 3:24 pm to
Hitler was sending Jews to Palestine via the Haavara agreement. Britain put a stop to Germany doing that though.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37205 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 3:36 pm to
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Going by that answer and your own logic what War did the people who occupy Israel win in 1945?


Where did I say that victory in war was a prerequisite for, well.....anything?

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What entitled them to those lands?


Where did I say that anyone who has ever received land has been or needs to be subjectively "entitled" to it?

This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 3:41 pm
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55614 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 3:38 pm to
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This is basic historical fact. Again, it can't be a coincidence that they have had issues every single place they tried to settle.


LOL! What a load of Crap. What were they doing in Germany that was not "playing nice"?

They owned the lands where they are now and was conquered by Rome!

Posted by PrattvilleTiger
Montgomery, AL
Member since May 2020
2776 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 3:42 pm to
My sympathy for that situation is over. Jews in this country overwhelmingly vote Democrat. Elections have consequences.
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 3:43 pm
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 3:48 pm to
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Because one side is a liberal democracy


You saying that Israel let’s people in Gaza move about freely, travel, import goods, and vote in national elections?

What nation do you think Gaza is a part of? The UN and the US considers it to be part of Israel. By definition that means Israel does not have a democracy with rights and liberties.
Posted by tDixieDragon
Member since May 2021
18 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 3:52 pm to
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By definition that means Israel does not have a democracy with rights and liberties.

Then you may have to extend that hypothesis to the U.S. and Native American reservations.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63590 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 3:55 pm to
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LOL! What a load of Crap. What were they doing in Germany that was not "playing nice"?


The Weimar regime was pretty horrid.

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They owned the lands where they are now and was conquered by Rome!


Eh. The Seleucids owned it for a longer period of time than did any Jewish kings prior to the Roman invasion. Others owned it before then. The aftermath of the Maccabean Revolt was the only true Jewish rule over that area for any length of time, and that only lasted until the Roman takeover.
Posted by BlackHelicopterPilot
Top secret lab
Member since Feb 2004
52841 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 3:58 pm to


All you people trying to trace provenance via history:


I mean, if Beyonce' wants to get freaky with me...I ain't spending my time thinking about where Jay Z has been...I am thinking about what IS happening now!


Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63590 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 4:00 pm to
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All you people trying to trace provenance via history:


I'm really not. I'm pointing out how asinine that is. I have a realist view of history. Israel owns it by force. It's theirs for now. I think the ancient claim/God-given claims are silly.
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 4:06 pm to
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Then you may have to extend that hypothesis to the U.S. and Native American reservations.


If that’s true then so be it. I’m not shooting for a particular narrative. Whatever is true is true. If Native Americans can’t vote, can’t move about freely, etc then that is wrong. I suspect they can but honestly I am not that familiar with it.

Islam is a shite religion and Israel is amazing in many ways. I’m still not going to slurp their cocks and ignore bullshite just to be politically expedient.

This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 4:14 pm
Posted by SavageReb
Member since Mar 2016
382 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 4:10 pm to
You've got to be the biggest idiot on TD, and brother that's saying something.
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