re: Israel / Hamas in a biblical context - any content recs?

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Just a basic google search… this is the reply


95-96 CE
Almost all New Testament scholars now take the view that Revelation was written during the reign of Domitian, sometime around 95-96

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That "source" is a direct quote from a lone Protestant seminary professor giving an interview to PBS.

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So you're saying God lied when he said he's God of the living NOT the dead.

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I am saying that praying to dead humans for the living instead of praying through the living Christ alone is not scriptural, not in any means. I’m saying that 1 Timothy is correct. There is only 1 mediator between God and man, and that’s Jesus Christ. Praying to a dead follower of Christ or through Mary instead of Christ and Christ alone will net you nothing. They don’t hear prayers, and are not mediators, because they aren’t living any longer, not in the physical sense of living they’re not. This is not necromancy. It’s communion with the living God, and that is through Christ alone according to scripture.

There is an enormous difference in living human beings praying for each other’s needs, and praying to a dead person to intercede to God on your behalf.

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None of this is even remotely true. The RCC teaches you have assurance of salvation, just not an absolute assurance. Purgatory isn't a place, its a process. You can't buy your way out of it either. None of that is a "work".

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It most assuredly is works, and it’s not assurance. It is taught that you have to pay for your exit out of purgatory through prayers of people living, and indulgencs given to the RCC. It’s also not scriptural in the slightest.

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Earlier you said you play absolutely no part in your salvation. Now you're saying it's contingent upon you believing. Which is it? You're continuing to contradict yourself.

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As much as you want the word of God to be contracting, it’s not. Believing is accepting the gift given by Christ. I have done nothing but support the points I’ve given you with scripture. It’s not my words you object to. You might want to read up on what scripture actually says first before you argue with it.

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So one has to believe in Christ rising from the dead to be saved.....which the thief didn't do, because Jesus hadn't died yet. Exactly my point. He definitely didn't have faith in the risen Christ, he may have been baptized, but he definitely died under the Davidic covenant.

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Christ had not died yet for him to believe upon His resurrection, but he placed his faith in Christ just the same that He was who He said He was, and would do what He said He would do. That is the message that somehow escapes you, that it’s just that simple. Scripture tells you that, but it’s going to take you to believe and accept it first.

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That's not what I said. I said they believe Jesus to be an important figure basically, and not that he was the risen messiah.....just like the good thief.

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NOT like the good thief in the least. The good thief recognized Him as who He said He was, and His KINGDOM as His to give. Muslims do not recognize Christ as having the keys to the Kingdom of God because they do not recognize Him as the Son of God. The Thief did when He asked Jesus to remember him when He came into HIS Kingdom. A prophet does not have a kingdom to give.

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Ah, so nobody was saved prior to the new covenant. That would be news to Elijah, Enoch, Moses, David, John the Baptist, etc.

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They were saved in the faith of the Messiah to come and their faith and obedience to God to that effect, but not by their works absent Christ’s salvation. Works are an outward act of obedience, not a pathway to salvation. There aren’t 2 different salvations going on here. There’s one, and it’s the salvation Christ gave all, both prior to His death and resurrection, and after His death and resurrection. One believed upon Him prior to, and the other after, but it’s still His salvation that saves alone. If you don’t believe that, then you are simply serving two gods. The corruptible blood of beasts saves NOBODY. That’s a symbolic representation of Christ to come. Faith in God and obedience to God’s commands of that coming salvation, regardless of their complete understanding of it is what brings salvation. The blood of lambs on the door did not cause death to pass the Jews by at the Passover. The believing God did, and acting upon His word did that. The blood of red heifers saved NOBODY. The blood of Christ saves everyone who believes upon Him alone for their salvation. The red heifers are simply symbolic of the perfect sacrifice to come, the shedding of His blood being the only sacrifice that has the ability to save man, and reconnect man with God as was God’s plan all along.


In the Lord’s Prayer we are told to pray to the Father, and HIS WILL BE DONE!


What is God’s will?


The Bible says that God’s will is to believe upon the Son of God… ALSO known as The WORD of God.



For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day ...

John 6:40

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So one has to believe in Christ rising from the dead to be saved.....which the thief didn't do, because Jesus hadn't died yet. Exactly my point

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Those weren’t “saved” they were found righteous like the thief on the cross. They went to Abraham’s bosom then when Jesus went there they accepted his salvation. Hence why there is no need for Abraham’s bosom now or what Catholics would call purgatory

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Hence why there is no need for Abraham’s bosom now or what Catholics would call purgatory

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Lol, you continue to astonish me with your catholic expertise.

Abraham's bosom (a place) is NOT what the RCC refers to as purgatory (a purification process). Those are two different things.

I agree as long as your faith lives in the good news that is 1 Cor 15 v 1-4

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Abraham's bosom (a place) is NOT what the RCC refers to as purgatory (a purification process). Those are two different things.

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Salvation is the purification process. Why would we need another? Oh I know another works based stance to take away from Christ alone. I seem to keep seeing a pattern.

Just like the prayer of the repose of someone’s soul. It’s already been determined at death. You can’t pray them out of what their faith brought them to. That’s either salvation alone in Jesus Christ and his work or not. Can’t pray someone into heaven. If so plenty of mothers and fathers throughout time would have.

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Salvation is the purification process. Why would we need another?

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Are you sure? If so, why would we continue to sin after initial salvation if we are made pure? Paul would fundamentally disagree with you here.

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Oh I know another works based stance to take away from Christ alone

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Purgatory isn't a work, you moron.

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I seem to keep seeing a pattern.

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Yes, that you are a first ballot hall of fame level idiot.

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Just like the prayer of the repose of someone’s soul. It’s already been determined at death. You can’t pray them out of what their faith brought them to

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That's not the Catholic teaching. Prayers for the dead don't change their fate, rather, it is a request for an expedient purification process for those already bound for Heaven.

You continue to show just how little you know about Catholic teaching. Then again, only bad Catholics become Protestant.

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God has NO MOTHER

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From the earliest days of the Church we have documents that prove that these early Christians believed, as Catholics do today, that Mary is the Mother of God.

This fundamental belief is shared by the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church.

Catholic belief about the effectiveness of prayers for the dead partially stem from a book of Holy Scripture that Protestants essentially ripped out of the Bible of their own volution and will - 2 Maccabees, which is in the Septuagint Bible used by Christ and his Apostles.

We know that they used the Septuagint because the New Testament has hundreds of references to the Septuagint version of the Old Testament.

Martin Luther commanded that seven books that had always been part of the Old Testament should be ripped out and discarded as Holy Scripture.

For over 1,500 years, 2 Maccabees was part of the Christian Bible, and Martin Luther himself decided to take it out of the Bible.

Catholic Answers explains it

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that Mary is the Mother of God.

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No one is debating that. It’s the immaculate conception we are debating. Nothing absolutely nothing biblical even referencing anything close to Mary being sinless or born sinless. Only one was/is sinless. Jesus Christ. And Catholics wonder why Protestants think they worship Mary and popes… it’s because they do.

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Got one request type out the Lord’s Prayer as you say it.

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We sing this in the Monastery -

PATER NOSTER, qui es in caelis, sanctificetur nomen tuum. Adveniat regnum tuum. Fiat voluntas tua, sicut in caelo et in terra. Panem nostrum quotidianum da nobis hodie, et dimitte nobis debita nostra sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. Et ne nos inducas in tentationem, sed libera nos a malo. Amen.