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re: Isn't a 30-06 round armor piercing?
Posted on 9/11/25 at 7:59 pm to civiltiger07
Posted on 9/11/25 at 7:59 pm to civiltiger07
Nope. I don’t need to and I’m not going to. All you have to do is look at the photos of Charlie and it’s very easy to tell that he is not wearing any type of armor.
From the descriptions I have heard it is likely that the bullet struck his clavicle and ricocheted into his neck and made one tearing wound, not an in and out.
From the descriptions I have heard it is likely that the bullet struck his clavicle and ricocheted into his neck and made one tearing wound, not an in and out.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:00 pm to TFH
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From the descriptions I have heard it is likely that the bullet struck his clavicle and ricocheted into his neck and made one tearing wound, not an in and out.
You serious Clark?
You should watch the video. You might learn something.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:08 pm to civiltiger07
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You serious Clark? You should watch the video. You might learn something.
Okay I watched your video.
A: That guy is an idiot.
B: He’s completely wrong.
C: If you think CK was wearing armor, you’re an idiot.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:10 pm to TFH
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A: That guy is an idiot.
B: He’s completely wrong.
So explain the shirt disturbance?
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If you think CK was wearing armor, you’re an idiot.
Why is this such a idiotic concept to you?
This post was edited on 9/11/25 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:12 pm to prplhze2000
The rounds not the gun. It can fire armor piercing rounds.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:12 pm to civiltiger07
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So explain the shirt disturbance
I already did. The bullet hit his clavicle. It’s under his shirt. That’s collarbone for you inbreds
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:13 pm to civiltiger07
Lmao. Because I can see all of the photos of CK CLEARLY not wearing armor. It would be visible.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:15 pm to TFH
You sound a lot like the posters that were saying the shot was 100% suppressed yesterday.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:16 pm to prplhze2000
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This post was edited on 9/11/25 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:17 pm to civiltiger07
That was probably you. What’s with your crush on Paramount Tactical? Is that really you? Do you get naked and rub Hoppe’s all over yourself?
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:18 pm to prplhze2000
It depends on the round and armor but I would say your typical hunting round is not “armor piercing” but 30-06 black tip is pretty much the gold standard for body armor penetration tests.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:18 pm to civiltiger07
I thought it might be supressed when it was a 556 so I'll take that heat. But Charlie was not wearing armor. I guess I'll take the heat if I'm wrong, but I'm not this time.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:18 pm to prplhze2000
Depends on the bullet used. Black tips were fully armored piercing. But most were soft tips used in hunting.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:20 pm to bass
quote:What was the rifle? I thought I read somewhere that it was an older milsurp or something like that.
It appears the shooter was aiming for the head but the bullet dropped to the chest because of the distance, just my opinion
Reason I bring it up with this, lots of older rifles used to be zeroed @ 300 yds on default. What happens with that- point of impact will be higher than point of aim inside 300 yds. You aim center chest @ 175-200 yds with something zeroed @ 300, you get impact higher, like the neck.
Old folklore (which I think may be true) from the late 1800's-early 1900s, you were trained to aim at belt buckle (which used to be brass on some uniforms, and thus stood out), and you'd get a solid torso hit.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:22 pm to TFH
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That was probably you. What’s with your crush on Paramount Tactical? Is that really you? Do you get naked and rub Hoppe’s all over yourself?
First you could simply check my post history to see that yesterday I was questioning how these posters knew it was a suppressed shot.
Second man I’m just discussing the situation. You are one throwing out idiot and insinuating that I rub a solvent all over myself. You might want to step away from the keyboard and take a deep breath.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:23 pm to civiltiger07
Talk to me. Im interested in the technical discussion and I won't pretend to know more than I do.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:24 pm to civiltiger07
You’re not discussing in good faith.
If you really believe he was wearing armor, find some photos and show me. I showed you ones that definitively prove he wasn’t.
If you really believe he was wearing armor, find some photos and show me. I showed you ones that definitively prove he wasn’t.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:28 pm to GRTiger
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Talk to me. Im interested in the technical discussion and I won't pretend to know more than I do.
We see edge hits fairly often on metal targets at matches. You see a bullet impact the berm feet to the left or right of the target, sometimes the target doesn’t even seem to move. The bullet doesn’t break into fragments, it’s a single impact to the berm. In a match if you aren’t paying attention you may think “wow I missed that shot by a lot” when actually you hit the edge of the target.
Also I wasn’t referring to you about the suppressor shot. It was the other two that said they were 100% certain based on their years in the military.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:28 pm to TFH
quote:I've seen that guy dozens of times doing different stuff. He is not an idiot. I was convinced there was no chest plate until I watched that. He probably would have been killed had the bullet hit the chest where it hit the chest plate but it either flattened or fragmented causing a larger than expected entry wound. I was with you on the whole shirt thing but the way he slowed down frame by frame from an angle I had not seen before, the plate killed him but only in a different way than he would have died without one. So back to OP. I doubt even an FMJ would have penetrated that metal plate but any of the other types of loads would be capable of being directed upward with intact and flattened or fragmented causing a wider entry than a straight on shot. Plus, its trajectory has changed from straight on to straight up causing a ripping, tearing entry (larger than expected entry wound). Clincher though, straight on neck wound with a 30.06 wound have an exit wound. There wasn't one. Explain that.
Lmao. Because I can see all of the photos of CK CLEARLY not wearing armor. It would be visible.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:30 pm to civiltiger07
quote:I watched the video.
civiltiger07
I didn't see the earlier part where you can see a thin plate underneath his t-shirt. Also, a plate carrier for this would explain whatever this is in this picture.
I don't know a lot about titanium body armor. It is expensive. Kirk would definitely have the means to purchase it especially considering the threats he's received prior to yesterday.
I'm changing my tune. Titanium body armor in a low-vis carrier under the shirt.
The fragmentation issue from steel plates is well known. I assume titanium has a smiliar problem because it isn't made to absorb the round but to stop it.
a little more info on the titanium plates the guy in the video was referencing
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