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Is Trump really hated by the left and deep state as much as they let on?
Posted on 8/14/23 at 7:12 am
Posted on 8/14/23 at 7:12 am
Or is he simply a useful, and convenient tool for them to use, in order to manipulate and galvanize both the right and the left into whatever they want done?
During his presidency, they were able to push through national lockdowns, shutdown churches, schools, and local Mom+Pop shops, send shocktroops into all of our cities and burn them down, and change the way we do elections forever and stage a false flag riot at the capitol they could then use as justification for suspending a number of Constitutional Rights for ordinary American citizens. This all happened under his watch, with a Republican Senate, Conservative Supreme Court, majority of governorships and state legislatures. The Democrats basically had no power other than that denture chattering, bag of bones (Pelosi)
On the surface, there really shouldn't be any reason for the left to hate Trump as much as they espouse they do. Policy wise, he basically governed as a big government moderate. Take away the brash personality and media circus, I am not sure what specific policy outcomes he enacted that bothers them so much?
Other possibility is he is just incredibly sloppy, naive, and undisciplined... and constantly stumbles into obvious bait and traps they set for him, and the left sees him as simply an easy mark because of it.
During his presidency, they were able to push through national lockdowns, shutdown churches, schools, and local Mom+Pop shops, send shocktroops into all of our cities and burn them down, and change the way we do elections forever and stage a false flag riot at the capitol they could then use as justification for suspending a number of Constitutional Rights for ordinary American citizens. This all happened under his watch, with a Republican Senate, Conservative Supreme Court, majority of governorships and state legislatures. The Democrats basically had no power other than that denture chattering, bag of bones (Pelosi)
On the surface, there really shouldn't be any reason for the left to hate Trump as much as they espouse they do. Policy wise, he basically governed as a big government moderate. Take away the brash personality and media circus, I am not sure what specific policy outcomes he enacted that bothers them so much?
Other possibility is he is just incredibly sloppy, naive, and undisciplined... and constantly stumbles into obvious bait and traps they set for him, and the left sees him as simply an easy mark because of it.
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Posted on 8/14/23 at 7:15 am to burger bearcat
They have a hate for anyone the left media pushes. It’s easier to go along and push the narratives and feel connected with them than it is to make their own decisions by looking into them
Edit : most of the left have no idea how government works or who their leaders are
Edit : most of the left have no idea how government works or who their leaders are
This post was edited on 8/14/23 at 7:17 am
Posted on 8/14/23 at 7:19 am to burger bearcat
quote:
Other possibility is he is just incredibly sloppy, naive, and undisciplined... and constantly stumbles into obvious bait and traps they set for him, and the left sees him as simply an easy mark because of it.
Well said.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 7:19 am to burger bearcat
Yes. TDS is real. But the deeper fear and hatred is of us.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 7:21 am to burger bearcat
It’s one hell of an act if they don’t.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 7:25 am to burger bearcat
It's a good question.
Trump is the least conservative Republican POTUS in my lifetime and has apparently no principles upon which to base his political ideology. The Democrats could easily have enlisted him in all sorts of compromises if they had simply appealed to his vanity.
I have always wondered why they didn't take advantage of that. Maybe they had a different strategy.
Trump is the least conservative Republican POTUS in my lifetime and has apparently no principles upon which to base his political ideology. The Democrats could easily have enlisted him in all sorts of compromises if they had simply appealed to his vanity.
I have always wondered why they didn't take advantage of that. Maybe they had a different strategy.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 7:27 am to burger bearcat
"The issue is never the issue, the issue is always the revolution."
What they do rarely appears to be connected to reality because they have a much deeper, more nefarious objective.
What they do rarely appears to be connected to reality because they have a much deeper, more nefarious objective.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 7:29 am to Nosevens
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They have a hate for anyone the left media pushes.
The "media" is controlled by a few hardline ideologues. What compounds the issue, is people like Soros putting millions or even billions into "independent media" which fills all of your news feeds.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 7:30 am to CollegeFBRules
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Other possibility is he is just incredibly sloppy, naive, and undisciplined... and constantly stumbles into obvious bait and traps they set for him, and the left sees him as simply an easy mark because of it.
Well said.
Nah. If this were true, the same people would be bashing Biden who's mouth is as bad as Donnies.. Joe is actually racist, sort of like progs pretend Trump is.
They arent. Its deeper than that
This post was edited on 8/14/23 at 7:33 am
Posted on 8/14/23 at 7:35 am to burger bearcat
Are you saying that Trump is controlled by the deep state?
You’re very right in that assumption
You’re very right in that assumption
Posted on 8/14/23 at 7:36 am to burger bearcat
Agree with the OP to an extent. Trump definitely governed like a moderate, and any Democrat would be disingenuous if they tried to point to specific policy that made them livid.
The danger Trump presented to many Dems and social libs like myself is his judicial picks (which honestly, he didn't interview anyway and would have been appointed under any Republican POTUS).
I'd vote for Trump over Biden, Ron, and Pence in a sec. The Ukraine question would scare me, but I have no doubt he'd abandon his campaign promises the moment he's plugged back in.
The danger Trump presented to many Dems and social libs like myself is his judicial picks (which honestly, he didn't interview anyway and would have been appointed under any Republican POTUS).
I'd vote for Trump over Biden, Ron, and Pence in a sec. The Ukraine question would scare me, but I have no doubt he'd abandon his campaign promises the moment he's plugged back in.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 7:38 am to burger bearcat
You’re onto something. The current democrat strategy is to use the indictments to
a) galvanize the Trump base into nominating him again
And
b) keep Trump front and center in the media, diverting attention from the disaster known as the Biden administration.
This way, democrats will get at least four more years of control. This became apparent in 2022, when Trump dominated the media attention for the midterms, and all trump candidates failed spectacularly
a) galvanize the Trump base into nominating him again
And
b) keep Trump front and center in the media, diverting attention from the disaster known as the Biden administration.
This way, democrats will get at least four more years of control. This became apparent in 2022, when Trump dominated the media attention for the midterms, and all trump candidates failed spectacularly
Posted on 8/14/23 at 7:39 am to wackatimesthree
quote:
Trump is the least conservative Republican POTUS in my lifetime and has apparently no principles upon which to base his political ideology. The Democrats could easily have enlisted him in all sorts of compromises if they had simply appealed to his vanity.
See Kim Kardashian conning him into pardoning her whole Apple Music playlist.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 7:40 am to SlimTigerSlap
See also his endorsement of Kari Lake, an Obama loving grifter.
Also JD Vance for that matter.
Also JD Vance for that matter.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 7:48 am to TIGERHOLD
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See also his endorsement of Kari Lake, an Obama loving grifter.
The fact she has support from anyone on the "right" shows how utterly ignorant some of his supporters are.
She jumps from ship to ship trying to hitch herself to a movement. Its laughably transparent and they don't get it.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 7:48 am to burger bearcat
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Other possibility is he is just incredibly sloppy, naive, and undisciplined... and constantly stumbles into obvious bait and traps they set for him, and the left sees him as simply an easy mark because of it.
Biggest difference in 2016 and 2020-2023 Trump right here. He's not the same guy and has declined bigly.
Regardless of the potential criminality (or lack thereof), his actions in the documents case and J6 case make the argument that Trump has become the king of unforced errors. I mean especially the election stuff. His primary defense is going to be something along the lines of "I am so dumb I listened to insane legal advice".
Now compare this buffoonery to how he deftly maneuvered against multiple intelligence agencies trying to entrap him in 2016. Just a different level of skill.
This post was edited on 8/14/23 at 7:50 am
Posted on 8/14/23 at 7:51 am to wackatimesthree
quote:
Trump is the least conservative Republican POTUS in my lifetime and has apparently no principles upon which to base his political ideology. The Democrats could easily have enlisted him in all sorts of compromises if they had simply appealed to his vanity.
I have always wondered why they didn't take advantage of that. Maybe they had a different strategy.
I agree.
Also, going all out to get Trump to lose in 2020 was short-sighted. I have had this thread ruminating for a while about how the DEMs may have been better off long-term having Trump eat this post-Covid economic shite sandwich.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 7:52 am to SlimTigerSlap
quote:
The danger Trump presented to many Dems and social libs like myself is his judicial picks (which honestly, he didn't interview anyway and would have been appointed under any Republican POTUS).
Yes. The judicial picks and tax cuts were GOPE policies enacted by GOPE pols and handed to Trump to symbolically endorse.
Trump did not have shite to do with either policy.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 7:53 am to TIGERHOLD
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This way, democrats will get at least four more years of control. This became apparent in 2022, when Trump dominated the media attention for the midterms, and all trump candidates failed spectacularly
Trump will take pride in keeping other Republicans out of the office. Watch.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 7:55 am to burger bearcat
They hate the idea and people that Trump stands for. Constitutional Individual Freedom via God given “inalienable “ Rights. Nobody thought the Dems/Deep State would dare go as far as they have. Most of us believed that Kelly, McConnel, Pompeo, ‘Mad Dog Matus, Barr et al had Trump’s back. Now Trump knows, and we know. There is not a handful of honest people in DC. They exposed their corrupt core because they despised Trump’s persona enough to sell out their integrity, and there is no going back. The devil (The LIE) now owns them. But they own DC., and by extension via the money system, most of America. They are prodding the Right to give them a reason (Crisis) to take over in full. And they will likely get that ‘crises’. It’s coming.
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