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re: Is there such thing as a basic human right?
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:31 am to AggieHank86
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:31 am to AggieHank86
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Discussion of that possibility does not hurt anyone or anything.
The earth is billions of years old. We only get about 80 years, if we are lucky.
Anything that wastes any of that time, like this discussion, hurts anyone who could be doing something more useful.
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Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:33 am to Loserman
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Rights are a myth
They could be if you refuse to fight for them when they are being removed
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:33 am to 4cubbies
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Rights are socially constructed, so there has to be consensus for a human right to exist.
This is, IMO, incorrect, nor is it what our system of government is based on.
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It’s also safe to say that US has different ideas about human rights than other Western countries.
I see that you are acknowledging this and I take it that the author you mentioned is not an American?
Our founding and governing documents clearly state that rights are inalienable and conferred upon human beings by our Creator. Under the American concept they specifically are NOT socially constructed, they exist because we exist and because we exist as a result of being Created by a higher being.
The concept of rights being socially constructed (when put forth by an American) is an attempt to have the cake and eat it too by someone who wants to deny God and claim "separation of church and state."
As to whether housing or health care or anything that someone else has to provide for you could possibly be a "right," not according to the American concept.
If it exists in you inherently, it can be a right. If someone else has to provide it for you, it can't be.
And IMO, that extends to the "right" to a jury trial. I think the FFers violated their own concept on that one.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:35 am to dafif
So far 2 people downvote without an explanation as to why wrong - very telling
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:36 am to 4cubbies
A right to someone’s labor is known as slavery
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:38 am to Von
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They are absolutely absolute. God given means they are innate. A part of us, in our DNA. Doesn't matter if you believe in God or if God even exists..
These aren't innate rights. They're abilities. Or capabilities, but not rights.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:41 am to 1897
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I can point you to some incredible books that won't pollute your mind. Try:
Have you read Evicted? How would you say it "pollutes" one's mind?
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Think and Grow Rich- Napolean Hill.
I already have several copies of this and other Napoleon Hill books. But thanks?
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:41 am to dafif
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Our forefathers in creating this country saw the above rights as god given but even those are taken away here regularly- see J6 and even Trump
Yes. They do get taken away because...
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rights are a societal construct that we all agree the government should allow - nothing more
Because fools have been trained to believe this and they don't fight for what is theirs, don't fight to protect those rights for others.
When fools diminish their own rights they also diminish everyone else's.
Everyone is born with the same rights, in every nation (it's in our DNA, not our citizenship status). But they've always been told to believe otherwise. Our country's founders chose to actually write them down. They weren't making shite up, they were stating the obvious after fighting a revolution and creating a nation to protect those obvious rights.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:42 am to 4cubbies
Nope.
You are lucky if you get them.
You are lucky if you get them.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:42 am to Strannix
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Marxist ideology - rights come from the almighty
And how does the almighty ensure these rights? What happens when someone violates another's right? How does the almighty respond?
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:43 am to 4cubbies
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These aren't innate rights. They're abilities. Or capabilities, but not rights.
According to the Declaration of Independance as written by the Founding Fathers of this country they are.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:44 am to BozemanTiger
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You just like giving away free schiitt because you'll blow or drop trou at the drop of hat.
How did you come to this conclusion?
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That's not the way the real world works, degenerate.
Major projection here.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:44 am to 4cubbies
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These aren’t absolute rights. They are social constructs with stipulations, not “God given.”
Nope.
The government protection of those rights may have stipulations or contingencies and may be subject to human consensus, but the protection or enforcement of them is not the rights themselves.
You will get agreement from the atheists in the crowd on your statement, because the concept of rights is a specific application of justice or morality, and an atheist has no basis for any kind of objective morality. It's all just preference, be it individual or collective.
They will agree that a majority show of hands is all there is (unless and until they become morally outraged about something, in which case they will feel and act as though some real moral code has been breached or some real injustice has been manifested, but they will keep right on denying its existence).
However, that was not our founding basis. Nor—based on your past posts—is it yours. Unless you have renounced God since I last saw you post on the topic, my advice is to be careful. Your academic pursuits seem to be leading you spiritually astray here.
It's not o.k. to kill someone without cause not because people say it is, but because God says it is. Because we are all image bearers.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:47 am to beerJeep
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Constantly fixing broken shite. Constantly dealing with late rent. Constant excuses. Constant gaslighting. Loss of property value.
That’s what the landlords deal with.
I rented from two private landlords in my life, the rest were property management companies. I've never paid rent late in my life but neither landlord would fix a single thing in the places I rented. And both stole my deposits. They refused to maintain their properties.
Also, the worst tenant is better than no tenant. Abandoned properties quickly fall into disrepair.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:48 am to Gee Grenouille
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Equal protections under the law is all I can think of.
This is contingent on who is responsible for enforcing the laws. I've been pulled over and let go before while others have gotten a ticket for the same offense.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:51 am to NC_Tigah
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Only as basic as society makes it ...
Exactly. They are all social constructs in practice. Theoretically, one can argue that the flying spaghetti monster gives these rights but it doesn't matter who gives them. It matters how they are enforced or ensured or protected.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:52 am to AggieHank86
The rights mentioned in our founding documents are considered "negative" rights. This means, for your rights to be preserved, no one has to do anything but leave you alone.
Any other kind of "right" that requires the action of others is requiring servitude of others. That on its face is wrong.
Any other kind of "right" that requires the action of others is requiring servitude of others. That on its face is wrong.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:52 am to 4cubbies
The most basic natural right is the right to defend your life.
And there are no laws, rules, or morals around how to do it. In that moment of facing imminent death, the lone individual has all of authority of the universe to act in whatever way he sees fit.
And there are no laws, rules, or morals around how to do it. In that moment of facing imminent death, the lone individual has all of authority of the universe to act in whatever way he sees fit.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:53 am to NytroBud
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Right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness...I'd think being murdered may kind of go against a couple of those rights
People are murdered every single day.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:53 am to 4cubbies
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Rights are socially constructed
This is why positivists cannot be allowed to govern.
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