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re: Is there any doubt there is a coverup in Vegas?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:24 pm to JPinLondon
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:24 pm to JPinLondon
Stop conflating Ruby and the JFK murder to this non-story and pure inventions about the Vegas shooter.
Ruby DID have connections that make his involvement in The JFK case very questionable.
There is absolutely nothing suggesting The Vegas shooter was anything other than the loser he was.
Ruby DID have connections that make his involvement in The JFK case very questionable.
There is absolutely nothing suggesting The Vegas shooter was anything other than the loser he was.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:25 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Then what is your point Tittle ?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:28 pm to teddyjackeddy
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Stop conflating Ruby and the JFK murder to this non-story and pure inventions about the Vegas shooter.
Ruby DID have connections that make his involvement in The JFK case very questionable.
There is absolutely nothing suggesting The Vegas shooter was anything other than the loser he was.
First off, I agree with you. Vegas was a loser, a lone loser mass-murderer.
Secondly, I didn't bring up JFK, I was responding to others who did.
Finally, even if you can find some loose dots you think you can connect to Ruby, his timeline that morning PROVES beyond all reasonable doubt that he was not part of the conspiracy.
And fourthly (post-finally), don't tell me what to do or what not to do. I pay my TD dues monthly on auto-pay.
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:29 pm to teddyjackeddy
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Then what is your point Tittle ?
That Paddock seems to have been the most unknowable human being in 21st century America and within a week the collective media just seemed to determine well that's that, so let's move on.
I've never seen that occur before on anyone who caused anything close to as big a tragedy as this dude.
I'm not "suggesting" anything beyond the fact that it just seems extremely odd to me.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:29 pm to goatmilker
how about the fact what you posted does not lead anywhere near the nations worst mass murderer.''
I assume you mean it leaves his motives unexplained.
Sometimes in the real world there are no clear answers.
That doesn't mean we have to act like cavemen and invent answers.
I assume you mean it leaves his motives unexplained.
Sometimes in the real world there are no clear answers.
That doesn't mean we have to act like cavemen and invent answers.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:32 pm to JPinLondon
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but I just don't buy it.
Why? History is replete with examples of US intelligence and law enforcement conducting nefarious activities in secrecy, even domestically. It is not out of the realm of possibility for one of those to have gone horribly wrong and result in a massacre like Las Vegas. We KNOW that the CIA experimented with mind-control and mind-altering drugs with the MK Ultra program. We KNOW the AG's office provided automatic weapons illegally to violent Mexican drug cartels. Those are indisputable facts.
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:32 pm to Y.A. Tittle
It just seems extremely odd to me''
It is what it is, it's understandable to WANT answers beyond what we see.
In this case there likely will never be any that are satisfactory to those who NEED to make sense of a world that often makes little sense.
It is what it is, it's understandable to WANT answers beyond what we see.
In this case there likely will never be any that are satisfactory to those who NEED to make sense of a world that often makes little sense.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:37 pm to teddyjackeddy
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beyond what we see.
Well what have you seen on Paddock? What information have you obtained about him to be at ease with the narrative put out?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:37 pm to Damone
''history is replete of examples of the US intelligence and law enforcement conducting nefarious activities in secrecy''
So, just make shite up because things have happened in the past ?
That makes no sense at all.
There is nothing at all pointing to this being anything more than we see.
Occam's razor applies here.
So, just make shite up because things have happened in the past ?
That makes no sense at all.
There is nothing at all pointing to this being anything more than we see.
Occam's razor applies here.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:38 pm to Damone
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Why? History is replete with examples of US intelligence and law enforcement conducting nefarious activities in secrecy, even domestically. It is not out of the realm of possibility for one of those to have gone horribly wrong and result in a massacre like Las Vegas. We KNOW that the CIA experimented with mind-control and mind-altering drugs with the MK Ultra program. We KNOW the AG's office provided automatic weapons illegally to violent Mexican drug cartels. Those are indisputable facts.
Your examples are interesting, but each one has a defined purpose. What was the gubment's reason for Las Vegas?
- to teach country music fans to watch their back?
- to ban bumpstocks?
- to make the public aware that any high-rise hotel can be converted into a machine-gun embankment?
Honest question?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:39 pm to teddyjackeddy
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Occam's razor applies here.
But not to Muh Russia, of course. Hack.
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:39 pm to teddyjackeddy
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It is what it is
Says who, though? Can you link me to the report that outlines or indicates that someone has dug into pretty much every available facet of this guy's background, and come to the conclusion that this just happened out of nowhere and that's that? What are you drawing a conclusion on, such that you have definitively determined that there are no more questions to ask on this matter?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:40 pm to JPinLondon
I didn't imply Vegas was a false flag, false flags are usually conducted to then pounce and pursue a policy end. I implied that Vegas could have been the result of a covert program gone awry, hence why there has been almost complete silence on it.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:41 pm to The Pirate King
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There’s certainly something going on besides just a looney guy shooting some people. The media has ghosted on this and no details have come out. I’m thinking there’s a USGOV Connection. ATF, FBI, something
What do we know about the major news outlets? We know they are very political.
There really isn’t an anti-Trump or anti-Republican angle with the Vegas shooting. So even when news does break about the Vegas shooting, it doesn’t get much attention nationally or even on this board.
For example, just a month ago, the Las Vegas Police Department released an 80 page report on the shooting. They even have it posted on their website. Not only did it fail to get much attention, good luck finding even a thread about it on Tigerdroppings. Yet the report has many details that many here have been hungry to read about, particularly with regard to Jesus Campos’ role in the incident.
There has been information released about an additional person of interest involved with the Vegas shooting. This information came about when a district court unsealed 300 pages of police affidavits. It mentioned the dealer that sold ammo to Paddock and did get some traction on TD. But it barely made 2 pages.
Later, the coroner report was ordered released but was delayed because it had not been “finalized”. TD favored this as conspiracy evidence...until it was finalized and released. TD then focused on what the news media was also reporting - a noon time of death. Discussion here was light.
Instead, people here oddly prefer to claim that important information is being hidden. Rational explanations of why it might not be advantageous to an ongoing investigation will not be considered here. Of course some details have still not been revealed, and the Vegas PD report is understandably called a preliminary report. So clearly it is still an active investigation.
In my opinion, it’s the effect of the popular Prepared Ani thread. People are now looking for conspiracies with more effort than they formerly used to look for answers.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:42 pm to teddyjackeddy
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So, just make shite up because things have happened in the past ?
We should just accept what we're told by the government and not speculate?
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There is nothing at all pointing to this being anything more than we see.
Okay, what have you seen? What information are you basing your conclusion on? In this instance many people are noticing the distinct LACK of information and therefore are unable to reach a concrete conclusion.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:45 pm to Damone
There is NOTHING in this guy's background that suggest he had any connection to some covert operation...none.
It's at best mentally unhealthy to just go off on some wild fishing expedition where there is absolutely nothing leading in that direction.
If he'd had something in his past to suggest more, for instance Oswald really did defect to Russia after being in Army intel, Ruby really did have both mob and cop connections.
Where is ANYTHING to lead to these wild ideas about The Vegas case ?
It's at best mentally unhealthy to just go off on some wild fishing expedition where there is absolutely nothing leading in that direction.
If he'd had something in his past to suggest more, for instance Oswald really did defect to Russia after being in Army intel, Ruby really did have both mob and cop connections.
Where is ANYTHING to lead to these wild ideas about The Vegas case ?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:45 pm to Cosmo
I was just thinking about this, wondering why the outcry was almost nonexistent compared to Florida.
It makes me think these rallies and protests, public displays of resistance are not natural or organic, but are coordinated by powerful entities that don't necessarily want to be known.
It also makes me wonder (if one is to assume some of these events are planned/conspiratorial) if the ones like Vegas are the coordinated acts, or if the ones with more and immediate political responses are.
It makes me think these rallies and protests, public displays of resistance are not natural or organic, but are coordinated by powerful entities that don't necessarily want to be known.
It also makes me wonder (if one is to assume some of these events are planned/conspiratorial) if the ones like Vegas are the coordinated acts, or if the ones with more and immediate political responses are.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:51 pm to teddyjackeddy
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There is NOTHING in this guy's background that suggest he had any connection to some covert operation...none.
There’s nothing publicly available to indicate he was a part of a covert government program, and that shocks you?
What do you know about his background?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:52 pm to Willie Stroker
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What do we know about the major news outlets? We know they are very political.
There really isn’t an anti-Trump or anti-Republican angle with the Vegas shooting. So even when news does break about the Vegas shooting, it doesn’t get much attention nationally or even on this board.
For example, just a month ago, the Las Vegas Police Department released an 80 page report on the shooting. They even have it posted on their website. Not only did it fail to get much attention, good luck finding even a thread about it on Tigerdroppings. Yet the report has many details that many here have been hungry to read about, particularly with regard to Jesus Campos’ role in the incident.
There has been information released about an additional person of interest involved with the Vegas shooting. This information came about when a district court unsealed 300 pages of police affidavits. It mentioned the dealer that sold ammo to Paddock and did get some traction on TD. But it barely made 2 pages.
Later, the coroner report was ordered released but was delayed because it had not been “finalized”. TD favored this as conspiracy evidence...until it was finalized and released. TD then focused on what the news media was also reporting - a noon time of death. Discussion here was light.
Instead, people here oddly prefer to claim that important information is being hidden. Rational explanations of why it might not be advantageous to an ongoing investigation will not be considered here. Of course some details have still not been revealed, and the Vegas PD report is understandably called a preliminary report. So clearly it is still an active investigation.
In my opinion, it’s the effect of the popular Prepared Ani thread. People are now looking for conspiracies with more effort than they formerly used to look for answers.
This is extremely well-reasoned. I hope you all can calmly read ALL of it and then look at some of your posts here and reconsider. Thank you Willie Stroker!
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:52 pm to Damone
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Well what have you seen on Paddock? What information have you obtained about him to be at ease with the narrative put out?
The below text is what the Vegas PD report has to say. What else do you want to know about him that in your opinion should have been included?
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At the time of the incident Paddock was 64 years old. He owned residences in Mesquite and Reno, Nevada and lived with his girlfriend Marilou Danley. Danley was in the Philippines at the time of the incident. She left the country on September 14, 2017, and returned on October 3, 2017. Upon arriving in the United States, Danley was interviewed by investigators several times. Interviews were also conducted with other relatives and acquaintances reference Paddock’s background.
Danley stated Paddock’s demeanor changed over the course of the last year. According to her, Paddock had become “distant” and their relationship was no longer intimate. Paddock was described as “germaphobic” and had strong reactions to smells. Over the course of the last year Paddock began to buy firearms and Danley believed it was a hobby of his.
During a stay at the Mandalay Bay in the beginning of September 2017, Danley recalled Paddock behaving strangely. The two were staying in room 60-235 and she observed Paddock constantly looking out the windows of the room which overlooked the Las Vegas Village venue. Paddock would move from window to window looking at the site from different angles.
Paddock’s ex-wife, Peggy Reiko Paddock, described Paddock as intelligent and great with numbers. She further stated he worked as an Internal Revenue Service Agent. Paddock later worked as an auditor for Lockheed Martin and Boeing. According to her, Paddock began purchasing real estate properties with his mother and renovating them. Paddock bought and sold numerous properties throughout the years and, as far as she knew, sold the last property in 2010.
Paddock made numerous claims to friends and family that he consistently felt ill, in pain or fatigued. An interview was conducted with a physician in Las Vegas who identified himself as Paddock’s primary care physician since 2009. He last saw Paddock as a patient on or around October 2016 for an annual checkup. He recalled the only major ailment Paddock had was a slip and fall accident at a casino approximately 3 years earlier, which caused a muscle tear.
The physician described Paddock as “odd" in behavior with “little emotion” shown. He believed Paddock may have had bipolar disorder however, Paddock did not want to discuss that topic further with him. Paddock also refused anti-depressant medication but accepted prescriptions for anxiety. He noted Paddock seemed fearful of medications, often refusing to take them. He did not believe Paddock was abusing any medications.
Most of the people interviewed acknowledged Paddock’s gambling habits. Paddock was known to gamble tens of thousands of dollars at a time and played at numerous casinos. Paddock was often given complimentary rooms and meals at the casinos he frequented due to the amount of money he gambled.
From 1982 through September of 2016, Paddock purchased approximately 29 firearms. These purchases consisted of handguns, shotguns and one rifle. From October 2016 through September 2017, Paddock purchased over 55 firearms along with firearm related accessories. Most of the firearms were rifles of various calibers. With the exception of the revolver, every firearm recovered in the Mandalay Bay was bought after September 2016.
During the course of the investigation it was learned Paddock had very limited contact with law enforcement. Paddock was stopped by police on occasion for traffic related offenses receiving only traffic citations. No arrest history was found for Paddock.
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