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re: Is the scuttling of Operation Northwoods by JFK a valid assassination theory?
Posted on 3/5/19 at 10:32 am to IceTiger
Posted on 3/5/19 at 10:32 am to IceTiger
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He has been known to be the guy that cleared people for LBJ on his rise to the top.
That’s a nice euphemism for personal hit man.
Wallace was a convicted murderer who owed LBJ big time for keeping him out of prison (a 5 year suspended sentence on a 1st degree murder charge...Texas hadn’t seen anything like that before and probably hasn’t since). LBJ got him a job as an “economist” with the Dept. of Agriculture so as to have him handy at a moment’s notice.
As to why LBJ chose this guy to be his personal assassin, the reasons are a little murky. I suspect that then-Senator Johnson was asked to intervene in Wallace’s murder case and saw something in the guy that he considered could be useful.
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Posted on 3/5/19 at 11:49 am to Bulldogblitz
quote:Assuming Oswald was the culprit, unnecessarily tunnel-sighted pursuit by Spector was the Warren Commission's major flaw.
as opposed to treated everything Oswald did with one single goal?
The thing comes off as if a homicide prosecutor determined to pin a crime on a culprit, was willing to bend and contrive facts to support a theory rather than considering alternatives. Innocent folks have been sent to prison based on that approach. It was a ridiculous approach.
Having said that, Oswald almost certainly murdered Officer Tippit later that afternoon. So even if he was "a patsy", he was heavily involved somehow.
Posted on 3/5/19 at 12:06 pm to NC_Tigah
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Having said that, Oswald almost certainly murdered Officer Tippit later that afternoon. So even if he was "a patsy", he was heavily involved somehow.
That's another one of the things that bothers me about the whole lone gunman scenario. The President is shot at 12:30, and informal roll call at the TSBD happens at 1:03, rifle shells are found at 1:12 on the 6th floor, and by 1:15 Tippit is shot.
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According to witness Helen Markam, Tippit had spotted Oswald walking along a sidewalk in the residential neighborhood of Oak Cliff,[65] three miles from Dealey Plaza. Officer Tippit had earlier received a radio message that gave a description of the suspect being sought in the assassination, and he called Oswald over to the patrol car.
So, they didn't know anyone was missing from the TSBD until 1:03, and by 1:15 not only was Oswald's description out there as a suspect, he is spotted 3 miles away and detained. That is some incredible police work. Miraculous even.
Posted on 3/5/19 at 12:26 pm to Bulldogblitz
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I wouldn't be going to western union to pay rent or whatever, but today is much different than 56 years ago. there'd be no transfer of a prisoner, especially a high profile one, in the middle of a bunch of folks.
Another point reinforcing that Jack Ruby was not someone tasked in advance to kill Oswald, is that Oswald was scheduled to be moved a hour earlier, but the transfer was delayed because Oswald wanted to change clothes. If the schedule had been followed Ruby would have never crossed paths with Oswald.
Posted on 3/5/19 at 12:31 pm to NC_Tigah
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The thing comes off as if a homicide prosecutor determined to pin a crime on a culprit, was willing to bend and contrive facts to support a theory rather than considering alternatives.
Wow.
In light of the past two years, this sounds shockingly familiar.
Posted on 3/5/19 at 4:20 pm to troyt37
quote:No fingerprints on the casings, which apparently is less unusual than one would expect. But, as the story goes, there also was a mismatch between the make of cartridges left behind and the bullets which killed Tippit. The implication being, the spent casings left at the scene, were planted. Of course the fact they had no fingerprints makes that an odd contention.
That's another one of the things that bothers me about the whole lone gunman scenario. The President is shot at 12:30, and informal roll call at the TSBD happens at 1:03, rifle shells are found at 1:12 on the 6th floor, and by 1:15 Tippit is shot.
Posted on 3/5/19 at 4:48 pm to NC_Tigah
Oswald had an Uncle in New Orleans in the Marcello organization. Jack Ruby was also in this organization. Marcello was kidnapped and dropped off in the jungle in Mexico in 1961. Oswald was known to be a bit of a nut. Supposedly the cancer that killed Ruby was known to Ruby.
Posted on 3/5/19 at 5:25 pm to NC_Tigah
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No fingerprints on the casings, which apparently is less unusual than one would expect. But, as the story goes, there also was a mismatch between the make of cartridges left behind and the bullets which killed Tippit. The implication being, the spent casings left at the scene, were planted. Of course the fact they had no fingerprints makes that an odd contention.
The thing that gets me about the rifle, ammo, and ballistics is the discrepancy between the way the shots acted. The shot that went through Kennedy’s neck and into Connolly acted like one would expect a military style FMJ bullet to act. Had it acted like the one that blew Kennedy’s head apart, it would have blown his neck apart, necktie and all, would it not?
This post was edited on 3/5/19 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 3/5/19 at 6:46 pm to troyt37
quote:Depends on the strike. If it hit tangentially, it could have that effect. Straight on, no probably not. A bit like the Titanic hitting the iceberg. A straight on impact doesn't do nearly the damage a tangential impact does
Had it acted like the one that blew Kennedy’s head apart, it would have blown his neck apart, necktie and all, would it not?
As an aside, because of the apparent immediate movement of JFK's head back and to the left in the Zapruder Film, along with the commensurate wound debris field, I'd always insisted the headshot had to come from the front-right. People argued that "neural impulses" drove JFK's response to overcome any inertia of impact. That is complete BS. It is impossible.
Immediate initial movement will always be in accordance with physics. For every action (inertia of an impacting projectile) there must be an instantaneous reaction. Backward head movement means impact had to be frontal. Period!
Then I came across enhanced footage which shows slight, almost imperceptible, forward head movement at impact.
Just a brief forward jolt, but extremely important as nothing could cause it, but inertia from a rear impact. Obviously, the same "immediate initial movement" premise applies. Based on the enhanced footage, it appears to me JFK was hit from behind.
Posted on 3/5/19 at 8:17 pm to zeebo
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Supposedly the cancer that killed Ruby was known to Ruby.
As others have already posted Ruby killing Oswald was nothing but random chance, if any of the several things that Ruby had done that morning had taken a minute longer Oswald would have already been transferred when Ruby arrived. That would be really poor planning for someone that was tasked with keeping an assassin quiet.
Posted on 3/5/19 at 8:20 pm to NC_Tigah
The thing that doesn’t make sense is this entry, from a rifle located to the right rear of the President, at a decidedly downward angle, and to have the blowout where it happened. I’m sure it probably could, but it would take a trillion shots to replicate that point of entry from the 6th floor of the TSBD, and have the blowout on that same side.
My opinion is the headshot came from almost directly behind Kennedy, possibly even slightly to the left of him, and from a lower trajectory.
ETA: Also, if you think about it, that’s about the only angle that doesn’t bring other passengers into play, and doesn’t risk those same passengers from blocking the shot.
This post was edited on 3/5/19 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 3/5/19 at 8:24 pm to IceTiger
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8 now, lol
Just passed 9 million. Alex Jones is red pilling the masses.
Posted on 3/5/19 at 9:14 pm to JPinLondon
in ref to the audio evidence that you say has been refuted. What way was it refuted? I understood that it was, in fact, the police frequency recording. Is that in dispute? I have always held the view from the recording that the last two shots were too close together to be from one gun. Theres adequate time lapse between the first two but not two and three. Fill me in on the latest please
Posted on 3/5/19 at 11:47 pm to JPinLondon
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Malcolm Wallace was a hit man and knew LBJ.
LBJ did it
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The Witnesses: Mrs. Acquilla Clemons
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The Witnesses: Beverly Oliver
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Willis family: Head shot came from right front
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Neck entrance wound from the front, not rear.
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SS told to "stand down" on day JFK killed. Why?
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Malcolm Wallace was a hit man and knew LBJ.
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Neck entrance wound from the front, not rear.
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SS told to "stand down" on day JFK killed. Why?
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Posted on 3/6/19 at 12:52 am to dpd901
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Not a single, CREDIBLE witness has come forward claiming to be a part of a conspiracy.
Uh, Zapuder film anyone? Kennedy was shot from the front not the back.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 12:54 am to Bayoubred
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I have always held the view from the recording that the last two shots were too close together to be from one gun. Theres adequate time lapse between the first two but not two and three. Fill me in on the latest please
The shots have been re-created multiple times with the same type rifle showing that it was possible to get off the three shots in the recorded time frame.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:09 am to EA6B
Yes, in the total time frame I think I could make those shots, although the angle is horrible for a right handed shooter (I've been on the 6th floor of TSBD) BUT, Not at the timing at the last two sounds. They are too close together.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:49 am to Bayoubred
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Yes, in the total time frame I think I could make those shots, although the angle is horrible for a right handed shooter (I've been on the 6th floor of TSBD) BUT, Not at the timing at the last two sounds. They are too close together.
Especially with that last shot supposedly being the most accurate. I think Oswald's first shot was the one through Kennedy's neck, and probably did the damage to Connolly as well. I don't think Oswald drew blood after that first shot. And then since it was unclear whether Oswald had done the job, someone who could shoot a rifle administered the coup de grace.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 12:12 pm to stelly1025
quote:Fwiw, Maybe not
Uh, Zapuder film anyone? Kennedy was shot from the front not the back.
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Posted on 3/6/19 at 12:16 pm to Bayoubred
quote:As you know having been to the TSBD, from that spot, the far easier shot would be down Houston St as the limo approached
the angle is horrible for a right handed shooter
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