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re: Is the biggest problem with America that we think we are worth more than we are?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 3:18 pm to NATidefan
Posted on 4/17/14 at 3:18 pm to NATidefan
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But why would they when minimum wage isn't enough to survive on
Minimum wage jobs aren't meant to be a career option. There meant to be a stepping stone to a higher paying job.
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and the government will support them
Can't do anything about that but vote for someone that isn't a D.
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But like I said, if you raise minimum wage businesses will just raise their prices and we are in the same boat.
Oh i agree 100%. Raising minimum wages will cause the price of all goods/services to go up. It will do nothing but to cause inflation, and decrease the dollar value.
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Posted on 4/17/14 at 3:19 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Really, cause I live below a dentist office and used to work at one, but I just pulled this outta my arse.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 3:22 pm to NATidefan
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Really, cause I live below a dentist office and used to work at one, but I just pulled this outta my arse.
Local and national statistics say otherwise. Median salary for a Dental Hygienist is $58,000.
LINK
You sure you are talking hygienist, and not some other job in the dentist office?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 3:22 pm to NATidefan
I gotta go to work, but I'll pick this back up later.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 3:26 pm to NATidefan
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Really, cause I live below a dentist office and used to work at one, but I just pulled this outta my arse.
As far as thinking that puts you in a position to make a statistically valid statement such as you made, what do you think?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 3:35 pm to DR Hops
It's been several years since worked there, but that's what they were making then, I do also live In a very low cost of living area. But i wouldn't think they are making much than 12. they made 11 when I worked there 7 years ago. My ex-brother is a dentist, I know a lot about it actually.
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 4/17/14 at 4:06 pm to NATidefan
Minimum wage range used to be a stepping stone, but big businesses have made it a level stopper for many. Think about all the people that are needed to work at Walmart, target, every fast food place, every chain restaurant, every chain store, etc etc. you think college students are gonna fill all those spots?
The end of the small business era has crippled this country.
The end of the small business era has crippled this country.
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 4/17/14 at 4:19 pm to Revelator
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America's problem is that we've grown fat and lazy because we've had it so good for so long that we don't apreciate it anymore. And because we are fat and lazy, many would prefer to stay at home and get crumbs from the gov. instead of work.
One of our problems is that our social programs ENCOURAGE people to be fat, lazy and stupid.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 4:21 pm to FightinTigersDammit
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One of our problems is that our social programs ENCOURAGE people to be fat, lazy and stupid.
This is true, but some people need less encouraging!
Posted on 4/17/14 at 4:51 pm to NATidefan
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From top to bottom, rich to poor, most people seem to think they and their children deserve more than they truly should. I won't go into much detail, just leave it a this simple question
Very intelligent comment. The iatrogenics of wealth!!!!!
Poorer people live much more social and happy lives it seems.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 5:00 pm to DR Hops
Come from farmers, hunh?
How'd they get the land?
How'd they get the land?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 6:40 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Come from farmers, hunh?
How'd they get the land?
They won it in life's lottery, right?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 6:48 pm to NATidefan
Actually, no. The biggest problem is America, IMO, is our unhealthy lifestyles/obesity.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 12:21 am to Scruffy
The biggest problem with America is we are trained from the time we are very little to be unbridled consumers. I WANT that has become I NEED that to be happy, which is completely untrue. We are the worlds marketplace, for the most part we buy worthless crap that serves no purpose but to make our already simple lives even more simple.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 12:47 am to NorfolkTiger
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The biggest problem with America is we are trained from the time we are very little to be unbridled consumers. I WANT that has become I NEED that to be happy, which is completely untrue. We are the worlds marketplace, for the most part we buy worthless crap that serves no purpose but to make our already simple lives even more simple.
I would agree this a major issue too, I think they are both kinda intermingled.
I live a very simple life, it's more than I need to be happy but way less than others, for example I can be completely happy with these things I don't completely need.... Internet, a computer, alcohol, heating and air conditioning. I NEED a car, food, clothes, cell phone, and a roof over my head, and preferably healthcare.
I used to make much more money than I do now, but lost the business I started to a bigger corporation taking over the field shortly after starting my business. Now I'm having to find a better job than the one I currently have. I'm not complaining, this is all by my doing and my choice. But as simple of a life I live( my rent's only 325 with utilities and internet included, my car's paid off, and I don't spend money on anything much other than what I listed above and I spend it very sparingly and wisely on those things) I still can barely make ends meet in my region (which is a pretty low cost area) on the 8.50 a hour job I took and I don't have kids or healthcare.
Now I could stay at this job and work my way up to manager and make a whopping 12 dollars an hour. Go back to school and finish a degree in a field that I hate, or take a job working for that big corporation that put me out of business for about 1/3 of the money I was making. I'm sure there are other options, but those seem the most realistic. But at least I have those options... a lot of people are stuck in that situation of going from about 7.25 to 12-14 dollars and then have nowhere to go.
Now, 12-14 in my region is plenty to survive on given you have healthcare benefits and live a very simple life, but it's still pretty tough if you wanna have any kids at all.
People say they could have gotten a better education, or this, or that, or the other... But that's simply not the case for everyone. Some aren't smart enough too, don't won't too cause they'd be miserable with those type of jobs, or did but can't find a job with their degree. And even if all those people did that, where would all these good paying jobs come from???
In the old days, I could inherit my dad's business, or work my way up the ladder, or be a farmer, etc... but technology and big business have eliminated a lot of these options by putting small business out of commission and eliminating jobs altogether. Those things have also created jobs, but not as many as it has eliminated or the pay isn't as good.
People think they are an engineer and they should make this much money... that isn't exactly the case... Otherwise we would be making stuff cheaper and better than Japan and we'd be buying stuff from ourselves instead of everywhere else. People are businessmen and inventors, they think they should make this much money... but they have to outsource the work or buy the materials from china to do so.
A lot of Well-off people bitch about lazy arse poor people while a lot of poor people bust their arse working cutting trees, mowing lawns, building houses, cooking food at a chain restaurant, selling items at a chain store, etc etc etc... And a lot of them do this bitching and complaining while they play on the internet at work.
Now I'm not saying there aren't some straight up lazy arse people that don't do anything and survive off the gov't... but their are a whole lot of poor people that work really fricking hard and are much better at budgeting their money than well-off folks.
This post was edited on 4/18/14 at 3:35 am
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:27 am to Scruffy
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Actually, no. The biggest problem is America, IMO, is our unhealthy lifestyles/obesity.
That's a big problem too scruffy, a lot of people are bitching about Obama lunches. That's a whole other topic, but I agree... People should be able to get a filling healthy lunch cheaper than you should be able to get an unhealthy one.. but that's not the case either. The problem with that IMO is three different things....
1. Parenting... people feed their kids unhealthy things and that's what they grow up to like and want to eat.
2. Since that's what people have grown up liking and wanting to eat that's what is the most available to buy for a reasonable price.
3. To make something healthy and taste good to the palate that has been created by 1 and 2, you have to be a decent cook and a lot of people don't even know how to cook a meal in general much less a healthy meal and make it taste good... even if they like healthy stuff.
IMO, our bodies (through evolution, which I know a lot of people don't believe in) have come to crave an amount of food, a variety of food, and things that are bad for us because of the calorie intake we used to need. So we crave junk food, a variety of food, and a lot of food. The palate in my opinion can be changed (I.E. not craving junk food so much), the amount of food needed to make us feel full and the variety I think is much harder to change.
For me, I grew up eating a lot of fresh fruits and vegetables... in the summer it was pretty much all I lived off of... we probably had meat twice a week in the summer... but mostly stuff grown from my parents or grand parent's garden. But today I still like stuff that's bad for me even though I love fresh veggies, but fresh good fruits and veggies are hard to find and expensive.. most stuff is genetically engineered to last longer (not especially taste great), and it's hard for me as a single person to buy that stuff, cook it, and eat it all before it goes to waste because of the variety of food I crave. I don't wanna eat the same four veggies every night for a whole week. But I pretty much have to if I spend the money on the good fresh ones because of the portion sizes they are sold in.
Hopefully soon I'll be able to get myself a small piece of land to grow my own stuff on and can it.
This post was edited on 4/18/14 at 4:02 am
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:39 am to NATidefan
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A lot of Well-off people bitch about lazy arse poor people while a lot of poor people bust their arse working cutting trees, mowing lawns, building houses, cooking food at a chain restaurant, selling items at a chain store, etc etc etc... And a lot of them do this bitching and complaining while they play on the internet at work.
Amen.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 4:44 am to NATidefan
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I agree, but I also think a lot of those that work are fat and lazy and think they deserve more than they should. Especially the upper class workers.
Curious, what do you mean by "deserve more than they should" mean?
My entire life I have believed that everybody should be able to achieve a lifestyle that affords them a house, two cars, food, and utilities. They should also have access to an education that enables their children to do the same. You should also be able to retire. I have also believed that in order to do this, you have to live in an area where your income allows for this to happen.
Most people dot have a clue what this costs. If median income is somewhere around $55k and the average home price is somewhere around $300k those items become rapidly out of reach, especially once you factor in student loans etc.;
The cost of those items have gone up over time. Quality of public education has plummeted, partly due to parents, partly due to educators at all levels not doing their job. It has gotten to the point where you have to live in a great neighborhood or pay for private school.
Twelve months ago I was living in New York City and realized that in order to get the above, you needed about $300k in income. That is fricking nuts. Average home price in a neighborhood with good schools in the suburbs is like $700k, and if you live in a shitty neighborhood and have 2 kids it will cost you like $50k a year in school tuition. It's fricking expensive and our of reach for most people. It's the same deal for folks that live in Boston, LA, and Sam Francisco. $300k between two people is doable if you are in your mid 30's but keep in mind that's before you have your first glass of wine, go on vacation, or go out to dinner.
I chose to move to a more affordable city. I took a pay cut but can actually afford those things. What I don't understand is how the hell did the basic life get so expensive, and how do people not understand how expensive it is?
So excuse me when I look at over 60% of government spending that goes to either protecting other countries or entitlements and I get worried. Excuse me when I have a Tourettes attack every time I see Obama on TV trying to shame me for paying so little in taxes. I paid $62k that I know about but there are additional ones I'm not counting like telecom and gas taxes). That's more than the median income in this country. frick anyone that thinks I'm not paying my fair share. It kills me to know that $20k of that goes to protecting other countries that now don't need a robust military. Those countries can afford healthcare but we can't because we cover their asses. But frick anyone that says we should be like Europe without acknowledging that Europe couldn't be Europe without us.
As for the remaining $17k of taxes that go to entitlements I would gladly cut that check but I want to choose who that goes to.
As for the $25k that goes towards infrastructure, fire, police, and education please excuse me while I question why we have a paramilitary force in Nevada attacking some farmer / rancher over some tax dispute. Especially while we have millions of people thy are here illegally who are working their asses off but also taking jobs away from citizens that are here legally but don't want to work.
Also excuse me while I question if buying ammunition for the post office is a good use of our money.
Our governmental priorities are way out of whack, and if you can't see that then frick you.
Also, frick anyone that does not know exactly what their net payments to (or net income from) government is.
frick anyone that voted for any candidate without knowing a) the candidates platform on the economy b) whether or not that candidates platform is feasible, and c) that candidate's track record and if that record matches what they are saying.
Lastly, frick anyone that didn't vote. Y'all are part of the problem.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 4:49 am to ironsides
Scroll up about three or four posts from yours.. I think we might be closer on agreement than you think. 
ETA...
I hate to rehash, but I don't know how to link a previous post... So here is mine from just a bit ago...
If this is confusing, scroll up a bit and you won't see a wall of text.
ETA...
I hate to rehash, but I don't know how to link a previous post... So here is mine from just a bit ago...
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I would agree this a major issue too, I think they are both kinda intermingled. I live a very simple life, it's more than I need to be happy but way less than others, for example I can be completely happy with these things I don't completely need.... Internet, a computer, alcohol, heating and air conditioning. I NEED a car, food, clothes, cell phone, and a roof over my head, and preferably healthcare. I used to make much more money than I do now, but lost the business I started to a bigger corporation taking over the field shortly after starting my business. Now I'm having to find a better job than the one I currently have. I'm not complaining, this is all by my doing and my choice. But as simple of a life I live( my rent's only 325 with utilities and internet included, my car's paid off, and I don't spend money on anything much other than what I listed above and I spend it very sparingly and wisely on those things) I still can barely make ends meet in my region (which is a pretty low cost area) on the 8.50 a hour job I took and I don't have kids or healthcare. Now I could stay at this job and work my way up to manager and make a whopping 12 dollars an hour. Go back to school and finish a degree in a field that I hate, or take a job working for that big corporation that put me out of business for about 1/3 of the money I was making. I'm sure there are other options, but those seem the most realistic. But at least I have those options... a lot of people are stuck in that situation of going from about 7.25 to 12-14 dollars and then have nowhere to go. Now, 12-14 in my region is plenty to survive on given you have healthcare benefits and live a very simple life, but it's still pretty tough if you wanna have any kids at all. People say they could have gotten a better education, or this, or that, or the other... But that's simply not the case for everyone. Some aren't smart enough too, don't won't too cause they'd be miserable with those type of jobs, or did but can't find a job with their degree. And even if all those people did that, where would all these good paying jobs come from??? In the old days, I could inherit my dad's business, or work my way up the ladder, or be a farmer, etc... but technology and big business have eliminated a lot of these options by putting small business out of commission and eliminating jobs altogether. Those things have also created jobs, but not as many as it has eliminated or the pay isn't as good. People think they are an engineer and they should make this much money... that isn't exactly the case... Otherwise we would be making stuff cheaper and better than Japan and we'd be buying stuff from ourselves instead of everywhere else. People are businessmen and inventors, they think they should make this much money... but they have to outsource the work or buy the materials from china to do so. A lot of Well-off people bitch about lazy arse poor people while a lot of poor people bust their arse working cutting trees, mowing lawns, building houses, cooking food at a chain restaurant, selling items at a chain store, etc etc etc... And a lot of them do this bitching and complaining while they play on the internet at work. Now I'm not saying there aren't some straight up lazy arse people that don't do anything and survive off the gov't... but their are a whole lot of poor people that work really fricking hard and are much better at budgeting their money than well-off folks.
If this is confusing, scroll up a bit and you won't see a wall of text.
This post was edited on 4/18/14 at 4:56 am
Posted on 4/18/14 at 4:58 am to ironsides
Here's the simple boiled down version....
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People think they are an engineer and they should make this much money... that isn't exactly the case... Otherwise we would be making stuff cheaper and better than Japan and we'd be buying stuff from ourselves instead of everywhere else.
People are businessmen and inventors, they think they should make this much money... but they have to outsource the work or buy the materials from china to do so.
A lot of Well-off people bitch about lazy arse poor people while a lot of poor people bust their arse working cutting trees, mowing lawns, building houses, cooking food at a chain restaurant, selling items at a chain store, etc etc etc... And a lot of them do this bitching and complaining while they play on the internet at work.
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