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re: Is the big argument now gonna be whether Trump blinked?
Posted on 4/9/25 at 4:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/9/25 at 4:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
You’d bitch regardless of what he did
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 5:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Its not an argument, its a narrative
They aren't goals. They're a narrative
Thats dumb! Lol. Simply and totally dumb. Trumps achieving his goals, the propaganda narrative continues to fall short. Thats why Trump is our president. Your hopeless and disappoint.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 5:27 pm to UAinSOUTHAL
quote:Easy to figure out who’s in a cult and who can think for themselves.
You're an idiot. He played the world like a fiddle. He is getting all of our trade partners minus China for now to come to the negotiation table and work out a deal. You think Trump is going to cave when they get to the table?? He isn't bluffing they will concede and we will better trade deal of the USA at the end of this. This is in no way a situation where Trump blinked. This has been planned by him over a long time.
Hard to have any leverage when every other country knows they can just call his bluff and wait and Trump won’t actually follow through with tariffs.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 5:54 pm to Padme
It’s always been about negotiation and with that, comes the need for leverage
It’s in his book
It’s in his book
Posted on 4/9/25 at 6:00 pm to SlidellCajun
Even if he did blink, which is looks very much like he did, it was for the good. China is at war with the US, has been. These tariffs that Trump is throwing on them is the first real serious push back from the US/West in what has been a decade long move of slow aggression by China to bring down the US and make itself the hegemon. We are in a full blown economic war now.
Trump saw this and saw that the US can't win a trade world with the rest of the world and China at the same time. He just said no to the EU asking for zero to zero reciprocal tariff. He has made Canada militantly anti-American. I think he'll circle the wagon some with the West and try and build bridges, claim victory on smaller achievements and rightfully get focused on bring Chicom Charlie to his knees
Trump saw this and saw that the US can't win a trade world with the rest of the world and China at the same time. He just said no to the EU asking for zero to zero reciprocal tariff. He has made Canada militantly anti-American. I think he'll circle the wagon some with the West and try and build bridges, claim victory on smaller achievements and rightfully get focused on bring Chicom Charlie to his knees
Posted on 4/9/25 at 6:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I have 100% not called it a failure.
Learn to read. Seriously, pause and read what you are responding to :
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framing it in a way that you can deem it a failure
You are waiting for the result, whatever it may be, simply to claim that since the goal wasn’t clearly stated, it can’t be a win.
And you have absolutely said that Trump cannot be correct without a stated goal.
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I said honest brokers cannot take either side, which is where I am. I'm arguing against people currently taking a side.
Wrong, you have claimed many times that you don’t see any problems that require solution (in respect to tariffs and the array of vague goals they could accomplish). You have gone on to say that the proposed tariff policy will shrink our gdp and tax receipts and increase the deficit.
Are you going to pretend that you have taken no stance on the entire tariff discussion? Nobody on this board has talked about it more. Or are you taking a “wait and see” approach to make a judgement? Because you haven’t afforded anyone you deem “MAGA” to do the same.
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Somewhat of a strawman, but within the general meaning of your strawman, how else can we judge if he succeeded (or "blinked" to use the parlance of our times)?
I’m not positive what you are saying. Lots of strawman. I’ve told you plenty of times what I would consider a success, but I’m not allowed to have options. How are you going to judge whether he has succeeded, since you just left the not failing door open.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 6:32 pm to Padme
Well, if Trump wouldn’t have fricked this up so bad he wouldn’t give them all this ammo.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 6:34 pm to Padme
The prog-filth is desperate.
New goal post from the American haters coming up!
New goal post from the American haters coming up!
Posted on 4/9/25 at 6:50 pm to Padme
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Is the big argument now gonna be whether Trump blinked?
I think the problem with knowing if Trump “blinked” is ascertaining what the goals were for the project.
The messaging has been a bit cluttered between Bessent, Lutnick, and Navarro…especially Navarro. The big picture goal Trump campaigned on is not going to come into focus, even if he succeeded, for 5-10 years.
I do tend to agree that the goal was to get every other nation in discussions with their admin for a new global free trade compact and goad China into a trade war that the US seems to be in a better position to eat the cost of waging.
However they aren’t quite explicit with stating it because the true goals are rarely plainly stated.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 6:52 pm to TDsngumbo
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I’ll bite.
Let’s say he did blink.
The job of the president is to know when to hold em and when to fold em for the best interests of the country.
Let’s say he did blink… he did well.
He didn’t blink, though. This is still going on and it’s gonna get worse for China before it gets better. China is where Trump’s eyes are.
So your argument is that no matter what Trump did, he did good?
That sounds about right for general sentiment around here.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 6:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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If he failed at his goals, how does it not matter?
See you do not think a step ahead or follow the news enough to even stay a step behind. What did Trump do before he started this tarrif bs? Negotiated with Taiwan to get semiconductor production state side, one of the large imports that region. He put tarrifs on everyone and what happened? Over 75 countries immediately wanted to negotiate. China wanted to push back, Trump says frick you and kicks the 104% up another 25. He puts a pause on all other countries, Trump just proved how much at least 75 other countries need the United States and he is either get China to negotiate or turn some other countries against them.
You may have read Art of the Deal but I trust the fricking author of the book to negotiate for me
Posted on 4/9/25 at 6:56 pm to Figgy
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That depends on what he was gunning for. Bringing back manufacturing? Lowering existing tariffs? Attempting to shutdown the fentanyl trade? A giant frick you to China and realigning world trade? All of the above? Who in the hell knows?
Who the hell knows is exactly right.
China has already said they’re not going to play ball on fentanyl, we saw what they did with dumping treasuries. So whatever the goals with China are, who knows. Hard to count any wins there.
As for the rest of it…shite, as for ANY of it, who knows what the frick is happening.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 6:57 pm to CollegeFBRules
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Who the hell knows is exactly right. China has already said they’re not going to play ball on fentanyl, we saw what they did with dumping treasuries. So whatever the goals with China are, who knows. Hard to count any wins there. As for the rest of it…shite, as for ANY of it, who knows what the frick is happening.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 6:57 pm to CollegeFBRules
Trump shot his wad right in Chyna's face. He knows exactly what he is doing and it is getting the majority of countries to makes deals more beneficial to the US while getting leverage over China. 
Posted on 4/9/25 at 7:00 pm to Paytonisablowhard
I guarantee you a POS attorney doesn’t know dick about this. He thinks he’s cute but that’s only to his boyfriends bull.
Enjoy that corner SFP, that’s your spot.
Enjoy that corner SFP, that’s your spot.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 7:00 pm to Goforit
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Trump shot his wad right in Chyna's face. He knows exactly what he is doing and it is getting the majority of countries to makes deals more beneficial to the US while getting leverage over China.
That’s one way to spin a trade war where who knows what tomorrow will bring. What was it that Trump told Netanyahu? Oh yeah:
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The meeting did not go as planned. It was not quite as bad as the public humiliation of Volodymyr Zelensky, the Ukrainian president, in February. But it was not much better. The tariffs stayed in place. Mr Trump praised his Turkish counterpart as a friend. And he announced that America would start “direct” talks with Iran on April 12th. “Trump gave Netanyahu a red line: don’t do anything and mess this up,” says one Israeli source. “It was more of a funeral than a wedding.”
LINK
He told Israel to, at least temporarily, go frick themselves.
This post was edited on 4/9/25 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 4/9/25 at 7:01 pm to jbdawgs03
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You’d bitch regardless of what he did
Posted on 4/9/25 at 7:02 pm to Padme
CNBC narrative since 2pm. Trump blinked. Trump has turmoil in his cabinet. And so on….
China is pulling all the cards they have.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 7:11 pm to CollegeFBRules
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As for the rest of it…shite, as for ANY of it, who knows what the frick is happening
Who knows what is happening? Trump and his inner circle of subject matter experts on trade, tariffs, the bond market, the stock market and relations with the countries with whom we are negotiating. AKA the ones who need to know.
Do you think Trump is making decisions in a vacuum? Or is it more likely that he’s consulting experts and gaming out the possible reactions, responses and pivots needed to help America to move in a better direction?
If you have vacation time you should use it. Go somewhere tropical and relax.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 7:14 pm to geauxbrown
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Baws are torn up about this.
Yup. Loving every second of it.
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