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re: Is the 80’s and 90’s the two best decades the best 20 years known to mankind..
Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:14 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:14 pm to Roger Klarvin
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By virtually every available metric the world as a whole is better today than it has ever been.
What "metrics" of "best times & world ever" are you using?
(btw -- Are you REALLY young?)
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Everyone remembers the prime of their life fondly and as they age revisionist history takes over and they yearn for “the good old days”.
Rog, "prime of life memories" hasn't anything to do with gauging "Quality of Life" by decade.
Here's what we've got here:
Posters who have lived in other decades and CAN MEASURE the "degree of freedom as well as "quality of life" metrics" -- and can compare & contrast their steep devolution of recent times (like say, post 911 "cycle").
This post was edited on 7/1/22 at 12:15 pm
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Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:31 pm to Liberator
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What "metrics" of "best times & world ever" are you using?
Average global life expectancy, average global income, average global educational attainment, global crime rates, global poverty rate, global starvation rate, slavery per capita, global technological achievement, medical advances, access to information, etc.
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btw -- Are you REALLY young
I’m 35, so I guess it depends on what you perceive as “really young.
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Rog, "prime of life memories" hasn't anything to do with gauging "Quality of Life" by decade.
Here's what we've got here:
Posters who have lived in other decades and CAN MEASURE the "degree of freedom as well as "quality of life" metrics" -- and can compare & contrast their steep devolution of recent times (like say, post 911 "cycle").
People are stupid, have terrible memories and have wildly varied and subjective views of reality (I include myself in this description). Which is why objective metrics are important. And by virtually any objective metric the world is a better place today than it was in 1995. Are there isolated pockets of people for whom life might not better today? Sure, but that’s always the case and those pockets grow progressively smaller as time passes. 1940 was a better year for the Nazis than 2022, but the world is clearly a better place today.
This post was edited on 7/1/22 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:32 pm to Liberator
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What "metrics" of "best times & world ever" are you using?
I'll just repost this:
Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:33 pm to The Eric
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Let’s not forget that social media has given people an elevated sense of worth.
Yeah. It was quite literally a perfect storm of shite that led us to where we are today and social media was part of it. It just blows my mind how the optimism of the mid-80s through late-90s was so quickly replaced by a dark cynicism similar to what we displayed throughout the 70s.
This post was edited on 7/1/22 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:buddy... your graph shows crime was much lower in 1964
ever
Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:40 pm to Gaggle
I'm posting about the 80s and 90s specifically
Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
Oh see I was confused you quoted best metrics ever and said I'll just leave this here. But clearly I made a mistake.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:45 pm to Gaggle
You missed a better gotcha attempt by not telling me that data was for the US only
Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:45 pm to Gaggle
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your graph shows crime was much lower in 1964
Crime stats prior to the mid-70s are completely unreliable because of how crime stats were calculated and collected. Many places didn’t report hardly any black on black crime in the 1960s, for example.
It’s simply not conceivable that crime rates were actually lower in 1965 than today.
This post was edited on 7/1/22 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:50 pm to Gaggle
Metrics are only better from a pure Marxist, atheist, autistic perspective. You have to believe there is nothing to humanity but the quantifiable economics. You have to view it literally as you would a cattle ranch. Like sure, their society has fell apart, commonly held beliefs don't exist anymore, optimism and faith in the country are gone, communal trust is in the toilet, happiness and purpose is in the toilet, the family is broken, drug addiction and depression through the roof BUT they have more food than ever and thanks to 100 years of experimental research and chemicals we've increased their lifespan by 5 years. Things are great!
Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:53 pm to Gaggle
The '80's were great to grow up in, although if you were a little older, you didn't really get the drugs and fun of the '60's, '70's, or '90's. I know some of corporate America was doing coke, but women were wearing baggy clothes and everyone was freaked about AIDS.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:53 pm to Roger Klarvin
Crime states aren't reliable now.
quote:That's a personal problem. Conceptualization can be tough, especially with ignorance. Crime was lower then.
It’s simply not conceivable
Posted on 7/1/22 at 1:24 pm to Roger Klarvin
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("What 'metrics' of "best times & world ever" are you using?")
Average global life expectancy, average global income, average global educational attainment, global crime rates, global poverty rate, global starvation rate, slavery per capita, global technological achievement, medical advances, access to information, etc.
Why would all of the above matter if the "Freedom" quotient is now abysmal? As are levels of "Happiness". The "Hope" index (for a better future) has also fallen greatly (ask around).
What of the recent demolition of Personal Sovereignty & Autonomy? What about the War on God and Faith Positions? On Free-Speech & Thought? (Lack of) Freedom of Movement?
And...What say you about today's constant institutional Fear-Porn? And promises of Doom? And crushing bureaucratic fascism and "Right-Think"/"Wrong-Think"? How do they make for "The Best Times" ever?
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I’m 35, so I guess it depends on what you perceive as “really young.
Yes. (although you would still have memories of the relative freedom 90's AND be able to compare & contrast it to the 2020s.)
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People are stupid, have terrible memories and have wildly varied and subjective views of reality (I include myself in this description).
Ok. So subjective "truth" is based on your personal experience and version of "reality". (But how were YOU actually affected adversely *before* your listed "BEST TIMES' WORLD METRICS"?)
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Which is why objective metrics are important. And by virtually any objective metric the world is a better place today than it was in 1995.
Again -- maybe *your* personal 1995 era experience was bad. But your "objective metrics/better place" list ONLY applies to Third World citizens. (Were you originally a native of a Third World nation back in the 1990s?)
I guess this issue can only be solved by discerning what your MAIN beefs about your life relative to 1995. (???)
Posted on 7/1/22 at 1:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
I'd venture to say the alleged "dip" in "violent crimes" from the 1990s-2010s is frankly just a reporting "magic trick" of omission, non-reporting, re-definition, and re-categorizing by bureaucrats. (IOW, LYING to cover up the truth of the matter.)
President Bubba and his minions (like J. Reno etal) happened to be in charge of LE at the time the violet crime "dip" began its steep decline. Coincidence?
Yes, I know the (Feeb) Graph is "official", but its just NOT believable. (Nor is it believable that "crime" in general has in any way shape of form DECREASED.)
President Bubba and his minions (like J. Reno etal) happened to be in charge of LE at the time the violet crime "dip" began its steep decline. Coincidence?
Yes, I know the (Feeb) Graph is "official", but its just NOT believable. (Nor is it believable that "crime" in general has in any way shape of form DECREASED.)
Posted on 7/1/22 at 1:43 pm to Liberator
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I'd venture to say the alleged "dip" in "violent crimes" from the 1990s-2010s is frankly just a reporting "magic trick" of omission, non-reporting, re-definition, and re-categorizing by bureaucrats. (IOW, LYING to cover up the truth of the matter.)
You're wrong.
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President Bubba and his minions (like J. Reno etal) happened to be in charge of LE at the time the violet crime "dip" began its steep decline. Coincidence?
These reporting stats originate with local LEO. You think that local LEO across the country decided to create a conspiracy that threatened their power and budgets?
Posted on 7/1/22 at 1:46 pm to Gaggle
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Metrics are only better from a pure Marxist, atheist, autistic perspective.
You have to believe there is nothing to humanity but the quantifiable economics.
You have to view it literally as you would a cattle ranch.
Like sure, their society has fell apart, commonly held beliefs don't exist anymore, optimism and faith in the country are gone, communal trust is in the toilet, happiness and purpose is in the toilet, the family is broken, drug addiction and depression through the roof BUT they have more food than ever and thanks to 100 years of experimental research and chemicals we've increased their lifespan by 5 years. Things are great!
Posted on 7/1/22 at 1:51 pm to chili pup
They were really good, but I’d have to include the 70s as a kid too.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 1:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
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These reporting stats originate with local LEO. You think that local LEO across the country decided to create a conspiracy that threatened their power and budgets?
What I believe: At that time all LEO got their redefinitions of "violent crime" and ALL crime standards "re-calibrated."
Could I be wrong? Sure.
But never underestimate the tendencies by ALL Bureaucrats to manipulate ALL statistics so they look better. ("Education" stats and "tests" is Exhibit "B". The skewed, nonsensical recalibrated national "Cost of Living" stats are Exhibit "C".)
I'm sure you'd agree with me; The prevention of crime and actual "knowledge" has never been LE or Public Education" respective goal.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:02 pm to RollTide1987
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It just blows my mind how the optimism of the mid-80s through late-90s was so quickly replaced by a dark cynicism similar to what we displayed throughout the 70s.
I agree on the rapid decline of 80s-90s optimism, but I was there in the late 70s -- hope then was ALWAYS still on the table. (Don't believe the Debbie-Downer hype that the 70s sucked.)
Even MORE SO than the "great" 1980s -- we believed NY thing was possible. Freedom was still at its zenith.
HERE is one big tell that gauges the "Metric" of Freedom + Lack of Crime of the 1970s:
(To those who remember):
Would "Hitching a Ride" (confidently, without worries -- WITH STRANGERS) have been possible during that era?
This post was edited on 7/1/22 at 2:03 pm
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