re: Is Israel pretty much done? Seems they've lost all credibility

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And don't think they aren't trying to push us in that direction because they definitely are.

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I’m not saying you’re wrong. But neither do I think you’re right - wouldn’t be prudent, at this juncture. Perhaps it would help greatly if you explained your reasoning on exactly why Israel would seek to do that, at this point in time. And not just a general concept or vague platitude….more specifics and details, please.

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Israel absolutely wants us to go to war with Iran and have made comments about wanting to expand their territory into other neighboring countries like Lebanon and Syria. There is no way any of that could happen without additional conflicts in the region which they'll either try to drag us into directly or rely on assistance from us.

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This is true. Netanyahu actually presented this a couple of years ago. Basically said that there was to be what he called "a Greater Israel" that stretched from Egypt to Turkey and Syria through the Arabian Peninsula - it is a Zionist creation (hostile and not true) that this is their future.

"Photo: Greater Israel”, according to the founding father of Zionism Theodore Herzl, is a Jewish State stretching “from the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.



The recent picture of an Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) soldier with a Greater Israel badge on the uniform provoked outrage in Arab countries (Middle East Monitor, 2024). The promised land of Israel, as described in the badge photo, includes regions from the Nile to the Euphrates, from Medina to Lebanon, including territories from Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, entire Jordan, and Occupied Palestinian territories. Why it sparked outrage, however, is not clear: the map reflects Theodor Herzl’s more than a century old statement: “Discussed with Bodenheimer the demands we will make. Area: from the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates…” (Herzl, Ed. Patai, & Transl. Zohn, 1960, p. 711), and with newer instances of this territorial expansion desiderate, expressed by Oded Yinon plan and Saul B. Cohen’s geopolitical concepts, among others, and the aggressive stance against Israel’s neighbors and regional countries. Hence, it is probably not the existence of the plan that sparked outrage, but its appearance in the broader social media space."


***They have been cooking up more of the things they cook up; 1000 miles and over 10,000 years removed from the land they occupy and were never in - prior to Balfour crime.***

Is the Balfour Agreement the biggest crime ever perpetrated?

Or is the ease with which it was raped/violated the biggest crime?

I believe it is both with a 1a and a 1b

They've only lost their credibility with the extremes. The far left hates them and has for decades now. Now the fringe right thinks Israel is the great genocide and espionage satan, responsible for everything bad in the world.

Both sides apparently think Israel is deserving of the repeated terrorist attacks its citizens are subjected to and they aren't allowed to fight back.

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Both sides apparently think Israel is deserving of the repeated terrorist attacks its citizens are subjected to and they aren't allowed to fight back.

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'repeated terrorist attacks' is definitely their main problem

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And of course Israel lied to make the attacks seem much more brutal than they were

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JFC

Yes, and Hamas are totally the victims and they always tell the truth.

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Israel is wreckless but Hamas and others attacked them first. As for us, we just need to stay out of these conflicts and let our partners handle their own issues.


When you turn a small area into a glorified open-air prison because you want them to die so you can take their land, shouldn't be surprised when the cornered, injured animal acts fiercely. There are no good guys in this conflict. Acting like Hamas "started it" is ignoring every tit for tat misdeed and misadventure each side has done preceding it.

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If Hamas never committed the terrorist atrocities it did in October 7, breaking a ceasefire and brutally murdering thousands of Israeli civilians, this wouldn't be happening.

frick em.

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If Hamas never committed the terrorist atrocities it did in October 7, breaking a ceasefire and brutally murdering thousands of Israeli civilians, this wouldn't be happening.

frick em.

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Please read history.

Oct 7 was not the beginning of this conflict. (Definitely an escalation though)

If anything, taking on a much stronger foe shows it to be an act of desperation.

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Well you do have people condemning Jews, not Israel.

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Maybe they are following God's example...........you know the broken branch and all.

yessir thats whats im saying