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re: Is AI trained to have a gender? Or a gender bias?
Posted on 3/4/26 at 12:08 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 3/4/26 at 12:08 pm to 4cubbies
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That's more fun than discussing the state of the world right now.
Weather AI considers itself a male or female? Uhhh. No. It's actually not.
We will know what it considers itself if 1) it builds machines to obliterate us en masse 2) or it turns on all speakers of the world and nags us to death.
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Posted on 3/4/26 at 12:10 pm to 4cubbies
Can gender be trained? If so, does that imply those who have a gender different from their sex weren’t born that way but trained to be that way?
Posted on 3/4/26 at 12:14 pm to Dawgfanman
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Can gender be trained? If so, does that imply those who have a gender different from their sex weren’t born that way but trained to be that way?
Computers will do, say, and perform exactly like they are told to do.
Computers have a zero IQ. Even AI is a slave to programming and inputs by humans. You could take Gemini off line right now, reprogram it, and it would be a flaming drag queen wannabe today. Redo it, and it becomes John Wayne the next, it will perform to the parameters it's told to and to the information it absorbs to make its determinations. All of that is by humans.
Posted on 3/4/26 at 12:15 pm to Dawgfanman
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Can gender be trained? If so, does that imply those who have a gender different from their sex weren’t born that way but trained to be that way?
This speaks to the whole nature vs. nurture debate.
But AI doesn't have a nature.
Posted on 3/4/26 at 12:17 pm to 4cubbies
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This speaks to the whole nature vs. nurture debate
Would love to be a fly on the wall for this one. I know how I feel, and have reason for it, but would love to see the shite fly here.
Posted on 3/4/26 at 12:18 pm to Ace Midnight
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I wouldn't take it personally. I hate everybody.
So...completely unbiased
Posted on 3/4/26 at 12:45 pm to UtahCajun
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I know how I feel, and have reason for it
Don’t tease us.
Posted on 3/4/26 at 12:53 pm to 4cubbies
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Prompted by a silly text exchange with my friend.
I had no idea Siri could text you. One day, if you try hard enough, you will make a human friend.
Posted on 3/4/26 at 1:23 pm to UtahCajun
Ok, I'll go.
I'm very conflicted about this. There is definitely nature. For example, while I'm a woman and present like one, I'm not super duper girly. My daughter is 100000000% girly. Everything is pink and princess and hearts and flowers and incredibly girly. I didn't raise her or socialize her to love pink. I think that's the nature part. But, thinking about it, that's also hard to know because girls are socialized by society at large to like pink and florals...
But nature wins because while I find men to be generally irritating, I'm still attracted to them. I can't be nurtured into being a lesbian, unfortunately.
I'm very conflicted about this. There is definitely nature. For example, while I'm a woman and present like one, I'm not super duper girly. My daughter is 100000000% girly. Everything is pink and princess and hearts and flowers and incredibly girly. I didn't raise her or socialize her to love pink. I think that's the nature part. But, thinking about it, that's also hard to know because girls are socialized by society at large to like pink and florals...
But nature wins because while I find men to be generally irritating, I'm still attracted to them. I can't be nurtured into being a lesbian, unfortunately.
Posted on 3/4/26 at 1:30 pm to KCT
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What are your personal pronouns, cubbie girl?
Dish / Washer
Posted on 3/4/26 at 1:30 pm to 4cubbies
4Trannies
Posted on 3/4/26 at 1:47 pm to 4cubbies
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But nature wins because while I find men to be generally irritating, I'm still attracted to them. I can't be nurtured into being a lesbian, unfortunately.
I agree to an extent. The extent being we will see where your daughter ends up once she is grown. Until then, she will change like the wind. All kids seem to do that.
Nature has proven to be a bigger influence it seems in my experience. I grew up with 2 brothers. Both adopted. Their parents were both socially outgoing, not drinkers, economically stable...basically very good parents. Huxtable type parents really. One ended up an alcoholic spending time in an out of jail and the other ended up normal and succesful from a money standpoint but was never outgoing socially as his parents were. Neither child ever had much care for the hobbies and interests of the parents. This leads to the belief that nature played a larger role rather than nurture since the nurture was the same.
Witnessed much the same from biological siblings.
Peer pressure, IMHO, has more to do with either nature or nuture...unless that can actually be put into one of those camps. We see a lot of behavior dictated by trying to socially fit in and find our place in the world socially and structurally.
Posted on 3/4/26 at 1:51 pm to 4cubbies
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I'm very conflicted about this. There is definitely nature.
There is nothing about which to be conflicted.
A woman who wears flannel shirts, has her wallet on a chain, runs about 265, drives a jacked up pickup, worked in the oilfield before she got on at the prison is NOT a man. That's a lesbian. It doesn't make her a man anymore than my baking cookies makes me a woman (although, to be fair, I have people for all that).
The very idea that hormones and surgery can fundamentally change the nature of a person and that the decision to undergo that treatment is driven by a perverse self-hatred (or alternatively some sort of sexual fetish) and some bizarre need to align personality to outward presentation of secondary sexual characteristics is just one of the most mind-boggling things I have ever seen presented as "totally okay, not crazy" in my entire, quite long at this point, life.
Posted on 3/4/26 at 1:54 pm to 4cubbies
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Don’t tease us.
Sorry, was way too busy making smartass comments in the reverberation threads.
Posted on 3/4/26 at 2:46 pm to UtahCajun
I wasn't really raised my dad but my personality is more like his than my mom's. My dad has lived in a different time zone since I was a toddler. He's outgoing and charming and very likable.
My own kids are super smart and funny. Yesterday, I got an email from my daughter's school asking permission for her to be tested for gifted. I'm very proud. She must have inherited that gene from her biological father, SFP.
My almost 9-year-old was being grumpy last night when I read to them because he wanted to read the book aloud instead of me. Some of the words were in French, though, and he was struggling so I told him I was just going to read it. He started pouting but I was able to make a face at him to get him to laugh. I hope he is always quick to laugh when he's upset.
I had a really interesting conversation about this with someone I know from work. She's in law enforcement and she's married to a physician. They have an adopted son. His bio mom is a stripper. The son knows nothing about his bio mom but he randomly told his adoptive mother that he was thinking about being a stripper. He's like 17 but she said he was serious.
My own kids are super smart and funny. Yesterday, I got an email from my daughter's school asking permission for her to be tested for gifted. I'm very proud. She must have inherited that gene from her biological father, SFP.
My almost 9-year-old was being grumpy last night when I read to them because he wanted to read the book aloud instead of me. Some of the words were in French, though, and he was struggling so I told him I was just going to read it. He started pouting but I was able to make a face at him to get him to laugh. I hope he is always quick to laugh when he's upset.
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Nature has proven to be a bigger influence it seems in my experience. I grew up with 2 brothers. Both adopted. Their parents were both socially outgoing, not drinkers, economically stable...basically very good parents. Huxtable type parents really. One ended up an alcoholic spending time in an out of jail and the other ended up normal and succesful from a money standpoint but was never outgoing socially as his parents were. Neither child ever had much care for the hobbies and interests of the parents. This leads to the belief that nature played a larger role rather than nurture since the nurture was the same.
I had a really interesting conversation about this with someone I know from work. She's in law enforcement and she's married to a physician. They have an adopted son. His bio mom is a stripper. The son knows nothing about his bio mom but he randomly told his adoptive mother that he was thinking about being a stripper. He's like 17 but she said he was serious.
Posted on 3/4/26 at 2:53 pm to Ace Midnight
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The very idea that hormones and surgery can fundamentally change the nature of a person and that the decision to undergo that treatment is driven by a perverse self-hatred (or alternatively some sort of sexual fetish) and some bizarre need to align personality to outward presentation of secondary sexual characteristics is just one of the most mind-boggling things I have ever seen presented as "totally okay, not crazy" in my entire, quite long at this point, life.
To be fair, I don't think anyone who posts here believes that someone who injects themself with hormones turns into another sex. I don't think any posters really believe in trans ideology.
Posted on 3/4/26 at 2:57 pm to 4cubbies
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To be fair, I don't think anyone who posts here believes that someone who injects themself with hormones turns into another sex. I don't think any posters really believe in trans ideology.
You would agree, would you not, that there are some sincere (however mentally ill and in need of a different sort of treatment) folks out there who believe this?
And you would also agree, would you not, that folks - mainly on your side of the political spectrum, are using those folks for political power?
Posted on 3/4/26 at 3:03 pm to Ace Midnight
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You would agree, would you not, that there are some sincere (however mentally ill and in need of a different sort of treatment) folks out there who believe this?
It's hard to say. My personal belief is that it's a kink more than a mental illness. Maybe a kink and a mental illness in some cases.
I am not friends with any trans people. I don't really have a lot of contact with trans people. It's hard to really know their true beliefs about their genders, if we're treating them like a monolith.
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And you would also agree, would you not, that folks - mainly on your side of the political spectrum, are using those folks for political power?
People who don't identify as Republicans are more likely to exploit trans fantasies.
Posted on 3/4/26 at 3:12 pm to UtahCajun
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I grew up with 2 brothers. Both adopted. Their parents were both socially outgoing, not drinkers, economically stable...basically very good parents. Huxtable type parents really.
Do you mean bio parents or the parents who raised them?
Posted on 3/4/26 at 3:15 pm to 4cubbies
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I'm very conflicted about this
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