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re: Ironically, Biden has changed my life for the better
Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:37 am to Revelator
Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:37 am to Revelator
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There is no other way to get to God the Father but by Jesus.
Then why would you ever ask for someone to pray for you or someone you know? The act of asking for their prayers is asking for intercession, and no different than asking for Mary or one of the saints to intercede.
Catholics relationship with Mary and Saints is out of reverence, not worship. We see their lives as an example or model of how we can live our own. But recognize they are not God or should be in any way worshipped.
I'm fine and willing to agree to disagree with you on theology, but it is frustrating when myths or falsehoods are brought into it.
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Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:43 am to Joeybd
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I guess the commander in chief ending almost all of his remarks with god bless and protect our troops is not good enough.
What about the "Bill of Rights is not absolute" remark?
Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:44 am to burger bearcat
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Then why would you ever ask for someone to pray for you or someone you know? The act of asking for their prayers is asking for intercession, and no different than asking for Mary or one of the saints to intercede.
First off, Mary is dead, the people who I’m asking to pray for me are alive and are praying to Jesus in my behalf. Nowhere in the scripture are we told to pray to the dead for intercession and even if that were possible, why pray to Mary to pray to Jesus to intercede for us to God the Father when you can go directly to Jesus?
I’m a former Catholic and know all too well the Catholic obsession with Mary, and yes, it’s is best described as worship.
This post was edited on 4/25/23 at 10:46 am
Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:47 am to burger bearcat
Operators are standing by...
Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:49 am to Revelator
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Nowhere in the scripture are we told to pray to the dead for intercession and even if that were possible, why pray to Mary to pray to Jesus to intercede for us to God the Father when you can go directly to Jesus?
This is a problem.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:50 am to burger bearcat
Happy your eyes were opened. Walk by faith others are watching, you may open others eyes
Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:51 am to burger bearcat
I'm in a similar situation. Things have gotten so bad, over the past few months I have devoted myself to Christianity, attending Church every week, and becoming more involved with the Church in general. I am doing my best to ensure my children grow up with Christ.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:53 am to burger bearcat
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Why can't I ask for her intercession for the same reason I would ask a friend or family nember to intercede or pray for me or someone else? How is that blasphemous?
You can, and it's not. Ignore the heretic who twists scripture to his own destruction. He regularly loses these debates on this forum, and just continues to regurgitate the same old boring stuff that has been thoroughly debunked.
For example, asking Mary to pray to Jesus on our behalf is in no way different than asking a friend to do the same. To say it is requires a level of mental gymnastics that is almost beyond comprehension.
Also, Jesus being a Savior for Mary in no way means she was some sort of habitual sinner, as Him giving her the Grace to be free of sin would still mean He was her Savior, and this exegesis allows her title "full of grace" given by the archangel Gabriel to not contradict scripure.
Also, God said he is God of the living, not of the dead. So those in Heaven are alive in spirit, and can offer intercession on our behalf, just like our friends and family can here on Earth.
Keep on praying good sir.
This post was edited on 4/25/23 at 10:55 am
Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:54 am to burger bearcat
Well I don't pray to my grandma that passed away to intercede in heaven for me. Prayers work and should be in fellowship with Jesus only.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:57 am to Chimlim
I think there are a lot in your position. The culture has changed from more or less supporting our beliefs to more vocally condemning it within a couple of decades.
Something I struggle with, and something I'd suggest everyone else to do too, is to regularly assess your motives. That's not to say you should stop reading scripture if Biden's America prompted it, but at some point I think it has to be separated and we have to acknowledge that the success of God's kingdom is largely disconnected from our political debates. As much as I'm on fire about the trans ideology creep in this country, that's merely another piece of evidence of our own decay and sin. And I include myself in that and there are obviously endless ways in which the political systems/ideas I prioritize don't glorify God or make Him known.
Many conservatives are always spoiling for a fight (me included) and I just don't think we can approach our faith in the same manner (or at least we should not).
Something I struggle with, and something I'd suggest everyone else to do too, is to regularly assess your motives. That's not to say you should stop reading scripture if Biden's America prompted it, but at some point I think it has to be separated and we have to acknowledge that the success of God's kingdom is largely disconnected from our political debates. As much as I'm on fire about the trans ideology creep in this country, that's merely another piece of evidence of our own decay and sin. And I include myself in that and there are obviously endless ways in which the political systems/ideas I prioritize don't glorify God or make Him known.
Many conservatives are always spoiling for a fight (me included) and I just don't think we can approach our faith in the same manner (or at least we should not).
Posted on 4/25/23 at 11:10 am to Joeybd
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Joeybd
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If you still feel personally slighted for the choices your predecessors made to become traitors to the United States illustrates yourself centeredness.
WOW! You're a DICK
Posted on 4/25/23 at 11:11 am to Stitches
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You can, and it's not. Ignore the heretic who twists scripture to his own destruction. He regularly loses these debates on this forum,
I quoted scripture. If it’s heretical to rely on scripture, then yes, I am a heretic. Maybe you can burn me at the stake like your church did to previous believers who didn’t adhere to your churches doctrine.
If you can post any scripture where we are told to pray to or through Mary, please post it.
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For example, asking Mary to pray to Jesus on our behalf is in no way different than asking a friend to do the same.
Mary is dead, so yeah, asking a friend to pray on my behalf though Jesus is different.
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Also, Jesus being a Savior for Mary in no way means she was some sort of habitual sinner,
She didn’t have to be a habitual sinner to disqualify her from being qualified to be a mediator between us and God. One sin would do, since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. But since I already know you believe the lie that Mary was also sinless, this portion of our conversation is irrelevant.
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So those in Heaven are alive in spirit, and can offer intercession on our behalf,
Provide one scripture that encourages us to pray to the dead
This post was edited on 4/25/23 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 4/25/23 at 11:21 am to Stitches
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“When we pray to [Mary], we are adhering with her to the plan of the Father, who sends his Son to save all men. Like the beloved disciple we welcome Jesus’ mother into our homes, for she has become the mother of all the living. We can pray with and to her”
That's pretty blasphemous to me. That's not adhering to the plan, it's adding. No where did Paul state this authority that Mary has where we can choose between Jesus and Mary. There is no mother of all the living except in Catholic faith. It's an unnecessary man made step. God is God of the living. There's really no more to that. Mary would have to be sinless to hold any title like that and she was not. She's been raised to a level that is not biblical at all.
"asking Mary to pray to Jesus on our behalf is in no way different than asking a friend to do the same."
There's your mental gymnastics. Let the dead bury the dead. They are not here and of no consequence to us now except for what they taught us. Jesus said pray to Him, Paul said pray to Jesus. The only ones including a middle man are priests.
This post was edited on 4/25/23 at 11:25 am
Posted on 4/25/23 at 11:23 am to burger bearcat
quote:Why would you waste a second of your time on this nonsense? Readings the Gospels more than once is worthwhile.
Cultiral Marxism, Critical Race and Queer Theory, Neo-Liberalism
Posted on 4/25/23 at 11:27 am to Bass Tiger
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The most cringeworthy and repulsive shite to ever spew out of Bumbling Biden's pie hole is his claim he's fighting to save the soul of America.....creepy as hell.
If you understand the context of who he is fighting on behalf of for the nations soul it makes perfect sense.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 11:29 am to burger bearcat
Here's the problem:
When you go off the deep end like that, only fringe extremists such as yourself are gong to pay any attention to it.
I have literally been hearing, from both sides, about how 'the president is destroying the country' since the Carter administration. Don't you people ever get tired of having your dire predictions not come true?
But the vast majority of Americans in the middle look at your post and think, "Since Roman Christians? Seriously?" Congratulations on catching up with your reading, but too bad it hasn't given you a better perspective.
Don't worry, another Republican will come along. Then you'll get to forget all about your dire predictions, until the next time someone you don't like is in the White House again.
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Biden or whoever is controlling him is the greatest enemy to America we have seen since 1776 and the Christian Church we have seen since the early days in Rome.
When you go off the deep end like that, only fringe extremists such as yourself are gong to pay any attention to it.
I have literally been hearing, from both sides, about how 'the president is destroying the country' since the Carter administration. Don't you people ever get tired of having your dire predictions not come true?
But the vast majority of Americans in the middle look at your post and think, "Since Roman Christians? Seriously?" Congratulations on catching up with your reading, but too bad it hasn't given you a better perspective.
Don't worry, another Republican will come along. Then you'll get to forget all about your dire predictions, until the next time someone you don't like is in the White House again.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 11:30 am to tigergirl10
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Why would you waste a second of your time on this nonsense?
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If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Posted on 4/25/23 at 11:34 am to Revelator
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Maybe you can burn me at the stake like your church did to previous believers who didn’t adhere to your churches doctrine.
This is lazy, and is a red-herring.
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If you can post any scripture where we are told to pray to or through Mary, please post it.
You took the affirmative position by saying it's anti-scriptural, so the burden of proof is on you to provide scripture that says we cannot ask those in Heaven to intercede for us, which you can't do.
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Mary is dead, so yeah, asking a friend to pray on my behalf though Jesus is different.
This contradicts multiple verses of scripture that says God is God of the living, not the dead. So since Mary is in Heaven, and God is still the God of those in Heaven, those in Heaven are alive (spiritually). Your argument is weak and anti-scriptural.
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One sin would do, since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
This would also apply to the human nature of Christ if that's what this verse actually meant. The Bible also says that John the Baptist baptised ALL of Judea, which we know didnt actually happen. This is a great example is eisegesis
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Provide one scripture that encourages us to pray to the dead
Again, you're the one arguing in the affirmative, so the burden of proof is on you to show we shouldn't ask for intercession from those spiritually alive in Heaven.
This post was edited on 4/25/23 at 11:39 am
Posted on 4/25/23 at 11:36 am to burger bearcat
He has pushed all of my children further into conservatism and has helped them be aware that apathy has a price. To be fair, I don’t give all the credit to PedoPete. The media, academia, and progressives sealed the deal. Biden was just the affirmation.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 11:39 am to burger bearcat
There is redemption in suffering
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