re: Iowa senate passes bill banning abortions once heartbeat is detected

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School gun violence- We must change the Constitution in order to ban guns and protect the children

Abortion restrictions- frick those children, that’s unconstitutional

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And on the other side of the fence:

School gun violence: It's stupid to make laws because people that want to do something badly enough will still do it.

Abortion restrictions: Thanks goodness for abortion laws that will keep people from killing babies.

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There should also be some sort of timeframe that serves as a cutoff, i.e. when a heartbeat is present or after 2 months, etc. or it becomes an extremely slippery slope. As science moves forward and we learn more about the advancement of creating human life artificially the lines will only get more and more blurry, solid precedent needs to be set NOW.

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I agree with this. If you're having unprotected sex and do not want to raise a child, I'm of the opinion that it's your responsibility to ensure you're monitoring if you're pregnant on a regular basis and it's your responsibility to get an abortion done early in the pregnancy.

Anything outside of the first trimester feels waaaay too much like killing a baby for my personal tastes, regardless of the arguments from the other side of that debate.

The Declaration discusses the grievance that the positive law veered too far from the natural law (which is only what is discussed in the document fundamental principles of justice and right). Therefore a change was needed, by force if necessary.

Our Constitution created a “supreme” positive law of the land, defining rules enforceable by government authority.

So yes. In the abstract, our Constitution is all positive law.

That’s fine.

Abortion isn’t mentioned in the Constitution though. Anyone saying that the Constitution prohibits the states from passing antiabortion legislation is wrong. Like most things in the Constitution. It was left to democratic choice.

If we want to make it legal and binding on the states, then Congress simply needs to pass legislation prohibiting the states from infringing on a woman’s right to abortion.

Unfortunately some wouldn’t like the outcome and make lifetime appointed judges decide what an undue burden is or better yet, answer a question they are completely unqualified to answer, “when does life begin?”. That creates the wiggle room for disgusting organizations like Planned Parenthood to market whatever it is they are marketing.

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I dunno, I'm having a hard time thinking of one thing worse than killing a child.

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How about an actual kid who they have to watch die of leukemia?

Drunk driver kills a teen, and they have to stitch up the driver right after announcing time of death of the teen?

Innocent bystander in a shooting?

An unborn, undeveloped alien? I dunno, I'm having an easy time thinking of things worse than killing that.

That is the debate that SHOULD be happening on whether or not there should be a federal law prohibiting/allowing abortion.

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I also get hung up on the fact that 99% of abortions are performed on those we most likely don't WANT to be mothers in the long term. What would the current and near-future US look like without previous abortions taking place, as callous as that sounds? We'd have more poverty-stricken mouths to feed, more underpriveliged, more school aged children to educate, more incest-born disabled, a lower overall education standard, more entitlements handed out, and generally poor mothers with numerous children. Adoption is always thrown out in these debates, but the system is already SO beyond overcrowded with a shortage on adoptive parents that we have children living in group homes until they're young adults; at which point they're thrust out on their own with no real life skills, as they didn't receive proper parenting and attention.

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Kinda my big problem too and the weirdest part is that group that has the biggest hard on to end it is also the group so steadfast opposed to welfare.

It like the whole "all life is precious" holier than thou grandstanding ends at birth, then it's "screw em I don't want to pay for that drag on society"

I also extremely disagree with abortion being taxpayer funded or a primary means of birth control which in a lot of cases it is I've seen it personally. So where is the middle ground in this. Creating more poor people isn't the answer and Killing developing humans on a large scale isn't cool with me either.

The bad part is, and this is the problem I have with both shitass political parties, it's one extreme or the other. So for now I'm siding on keeping it legal because most states restrict the crap out of it already

Well. There are plenty of interviews with originalists on the Supreme Court. Unfortunately that only consists of Scalia and Thomas.

Whatever could be said about Scalia, he has mucho personality and his opinions are excellent entertainment.

Thomas’ opinions are written under the premise “nothing is worse than putting a $2 idea in a $20 sentence. You should be trying to put a $20 idea in a $2 sentence because the people that these decisions affect are regular citizens and they should be able to understand them. He is probably like that because he was raised by his illiterate grandfather. If you get a chance to read “My Grandfather’s Son” I recommend it. 1/3 of it is him defending himself against the Anita Hill crap, so be aforewarned. Also, English isn’t his first language. He spoke geechee at home. It’s kind of a strange coastal dialect that was common with slaves.

Its never true pro choice until women can sell pussy. Feminist act they are so in charge and independent and a group of men in washington controls what they can and can’t do with their own pussy, let that sink in!

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another "law" dead on arrival.

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This.

Like those fetuses, you weren’t born yesterday.....