re: Increased Childlessness in the US

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70% of the divorces are initiated by the women, and according to the research, when asked why, they do NOT say that they were abused, neglected, not provided for, or otherwise cite some gross flaw in the husband. They say some version of, "I just wanted more," or "I was just bored and unfulfilled," or "I just wanted to see what else was out there."

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You're full of shite. Women do not get divorced "to see what else is out there"

Have you known a divorced woman?

While there isn't a single reason why women initiate divorce more often, factors such as unmet emotional needs, poor communication, and a lack of independence in the marriage are often cited.

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The dating app data shows that almost all the women on those apps compete for the top tiny percentage of men

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I keep trying to google this data but the search terms I put in don't yield relevant results. How did you find this data?

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What's your conclusion from the facts?

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The "facts" you posted that I could verify are fake news.

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You think you're BETTER than the whole group here. It wouldn't make any sense for you to campaign for the approval of those you deem inferior. What would make logical sense is if the Great Unwashed thinks you're wrong, you must be doing something right.

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You clearly are committed to this and there's nothing I can say that will persuade you so I will just disagree.

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Tell the truth. Is that not exactly what you tell yourself about all of the downvotes and insults you get here?

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I don't tell myself anything about them. Sometimes I'm surprised that no one seems to agree with me about certain posts according to up/downvotes but people have been calling me names on this website since I was 20 years old. It used to bother me and sometimes it still does but that's just how many people behave here. The cloak of anonymity can be very embolding.

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Yourself.

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If I wasn't already secure, I wouldn't post unpopular opinions here.

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And without his mom giving birth to him and raising him, where would that guy have been?

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Norm?

Maybe he'd have cured cancer. Who the frick knows.

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I keep trying to google this data but the search terms I put in don't yield relevant results. How did you find this data?

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You're not trying very hard. I searched "dating app data shows women compete for small percentage of men" and got a full page of links.

You didn't try very hard on this one either:

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Women do not get divorced "to see what else is out there"

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Woman Gets Bored and Gets Divorced

There are thousands of these online. And yes, it's in the context of a man being critical of women, but I'm not on Tik Tok and I'm not getting on Tik Tok, which is where all of these videos originate from.

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The "facts" you posted that I could verify are fake news.

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So women aren't waiting longer to get married, getting divorced more often, and not having children? That's fake news?

I'm out. Once you get to this point to avoid being wrong the dishonesty starts and I have better things to do.

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You clearly are committed to this and there's nothing I can say that will persuade you so I will just disagree.

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That would work if you hadn't already admitted otherwise.

Again, when the dishonesty starts I'm out.

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Sure, and I pointed out that you dont have an inherently tangible reason, either. You have the way you feel about your children. Others don't have that towards their own.

I'm not minimizing your reasons for caring about life or the future. I'm asking you not to minimize mine.

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I think we'll probably just have to disagree here too. I have living, breathing human beings I'm responsible for who are the focal point of most of what I do at this point. I agree that there are crappy parents for whom that won't translate much into the "skin in the game" I'm referencing.

And while personally I don't think even an extremely committed ethos of "leave it better than you found it" compares to children, my point isn't to directly compare us as much as to gauge the likelihood of repeatability/success rate. So I think to the extent minimization of your personal reasons is an inherent necessity to my argument, it's the bare minimum amount of it.

Rather, my belief is that parents would have a higher hit rate as far as being genuinely invested in the future than people who have more amorphous (ie, the reasons don't talk and reside in their house) reasons for investment. Now, perhaps that gets better if it's Marines vs. parents or some other subgroup likely comprised of very principled people, but still, we're talking about a very large group vs a relatively small one.

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That would work if you hadn't already admitted otherwise.

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And you claim me saying I'm less childish than many posters is equal to me admitting I'm better than everyone.

Those two things are not the same.

Apparently you think I'm better than everyone for some reason. Why else would you choose to die on this hill?

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You're not trying very hard. I searched "dating app data shows women compete for small percentage of men" and got a full page of links.

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I wasn't searching for data with a claim. I was looking for raw data so I could draw my own conclusion.

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Woman Gets Bored and Gets Divorced

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You found one example of something and you think it's indicative of the majority?

I typed in "why do women file divorce?" and got this: Women initiate divorce for a variety of reasons, including infidelity, abuse (physical or emotional), lack of communication, incompatibility, and unmet expectations, as well as issues with emotional labor and financial disagreements.

You are only looking for information that supports your own opinions, not facts.

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So women aren't waiting longer to get married, getting divorced more often, and not having children? That's fake news?

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The "facts" you claimed that I explicitly discredited are the ones I'm referring to. Most women do not get divorced "to see what else is out there" like you claimed. The women I know who are divorced were tired of putting up with their lazy husbands who think they only have to go to work and come home to let their working wives take care of them and everything else.

You posted this:

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70% of the divorces are initiated by the women, and according to the research, when asked why, they do NOT say that they were abused, neglected, not provided for, or otherwise cite some gross flaw in the husband. They say some version of, "I just wanted more," or "I was just bored and unfulfilled," or "I just wanted to see what else was out there."

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I discredited your claim and now you're moving the goal posts to say "What? You can prove women don't get divorced?"

That wasn't the claim.

You are googling terms to get biased results. I am looking for unbiased, raw data so I can draw my own conclusions. I'm sure I can google "study proves men are abusive assholes" and get a bunch of results, too.

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I understand that people are overly sensitive, and my points often offend parents, but if they'd look past their emotions they'd probably see that we have common ground.

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I'm not offended, FWIW. It's pretty akin to the religious argument you're making, although I think that won is more easily defensible because at minimum you can stack the violence wrought in the name of religion against whatever peace/stability it provides.

I do disagree with it, and I would be surprised if you didn't think we would experience a pretty considerable drop-off in forward-looking prioritization/investment in a society where having children wasn't the norm. But, maybe you really don't.

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Are you recommending that the US adopt Sharia?

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Negative.