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re: In your own words, describe your understanding of Islam.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 2:14 pm to ApexTiger
Posted on 12/1/16 at 2:14 pm to ApexTiger
Wow this thread is disturbing. I am Muslim and do agree that certain parts of the globe do have issues with Islamic ideology being used in oppressive forms. But here are the countries where most Muslims live:
Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Egypt, Nigeria, Iran, Turkey, Algeria, Morocco
Most of these places are harmless.
Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Egypt, Nigeria, Iran, Turkey, Algeria, Morocco
Most of these places are harmless.
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Posted on 12/1/16 at 2:19 pm to phillypie
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But here are the countries where most Muslims live:
Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Egypt, Nigeria, Iran, Turkey, Algeria, Morocco
Every one of these places is a gigantic shithole. EVERY SINGLE ONE.
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Most of these places are harmless.
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR frickING MIND?
Posted on 12/1/16 at 2:22 pm to phillypie
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Most of these places are harmless.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 2:32 pm to phillypie
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Wow this thread is disturbing
Agree.
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Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Egypt, Nigeria, Iran, Turkey, Algeria, Morocco
Most of these places are harmless.
I've bolded the places I would avoid traveling to and italicized the places that you will be detained in the airport for traveling to on a US passport.
That being said, relative to the living conditions in the US, Europe is a trailer park. just because there is violence in say, Pakistan and poverty in say Bangladesh, doesn't mean that the reason is Islam. In fact, much of the world is war torn and in poverty. South America has problems, eastern Europe is somewhat emerging from almost 100 years of this. china is still a mess. most the people in these places aren't Muslim, so it is slightly possible that Islam isn't at fault for poverty abd violence. just a thought.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 2:38 pm to MrCarton
Glad someone here has some perspective. I do agree that poverty is the driving force for issues rather than islam being an inherently "bad" religion.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 2:42 pm to phillypie
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Glad someone here has some perspective
I've lived in a lot of Muslim places. Most of them were not very fun. In general the crime is lower and people are friendly. Not a lot of work being done though.
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I do agree that poverty is the driving force for issues rather than islam being an inherently "bad" religion.
Poverty is not the driving force. poverty is the result of socialistic and totalitarian governments that predominante and foreign interventions.
I'm an atheist, and I definitely have some serious beef with some core tenets of Islam, but Muslims have generally been very good to me. Experience and common sense tells me that Islam is what it is and Muslims are about as diverse as any other group of 1 billion people can be.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 2:49 pm to MrCarton
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Poverty is not the driving force. poverty is the result of socialistic and totalitarian governments that predominante and foreign interventions.
I think the point I was getting at is that if people are impoverished, they are more likely to turn to religion as a means of coping. If these countries were better off economically, we wouldn't see the same social issues and oppression that is attributed to the core of islam
I am Muslim by birth, but don't really believe in the religion anymore.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 2:57 pm to phillypie
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I think the point I was getting at is that if people are impoverished, they are more likely to turn to religion as a means of coping.
So, OBL was mad because he was only a millionaire instead of a billionaire?
Posted on 12/1/16 at 3:11 pm to Zach
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So, OBL was mad because he was only a millionaire instead of a billionaire?
No, he was mad for the reasons he explicitly stated. Pointing out that terrorism is planned, financed and sometimes executed by those who aren't impoverished doesn't at all detract from the argument that a destitute population is more prone to terrorist recruitment efforts. AQ immediate support to people in Afghanistan and Iraq, and Syria is a prime example of what happens when revolutionaries tap destitute populations.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 3:13 pm to phillypie
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I think the point I was getting at is that if people are impoverished, they are more likely to turn to religion as a means of coping
I agree.
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If these countries were better off economically, we wouldn't see the same social issues and oppression that is attributed to the core of islam
Also agree. Many of these "Islamic" social issues are 1. duplicated by people who aren't Islamic 2. predate Islam and 3. were social norms in the west at some point.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 3:19 pm to MrCarton
not real comfortable with it, though i've been around plenty of muslim kids who are no different than other kids and no more inclined than trump's kids to be hateful ... like most other religions, it's patriarchal and authoritarian, though to a greater extent in most respects than its cousins ...
Posted on 12/1/16 at 3:23 pm to tiderider
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's patriarchal and authoritarian, though to a greater extent in most respects than its cousins ...
Maybe. All the old religions are Patriarchal, some sects if Islam and Traditional Jews are the few still living that way. Some sub sets of Christians do as well. All of them in the minority.
Patriarchy is a good and natural aspect of humanity, but involuntarily Patriarchy is just stupid. We hear a lot of horror stories about Muslims treating their women like shite, but on the whole their bitches still run shite when the guests go home. It's quite pathetic really.
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not real comfortable with it, though i've been around plenty of muslim kids who are no different than other kids and no more inclined than trump's kids to be hateful
Agreed.
This post was edited on 12/1/16 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 12/1/16 at 3:24 pm to ApexTiger
Another made up religion, no better or worse than the other fantasies
Posted on 12/1/16 at 4:28 pm to biggsc
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How do they compare to Protestants and Catholics?
The only comparison that needs attention is in the original messages that comprise the dogmas that are the foundations for the three; and the question to follow is why the dogma responsible for Protestantism and Catholicism is not the one that is the fastest growing belief system in the nation's prisons.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 5:05 pm to ApexTiger
quote:It is equal to insanity, just like all other religions.
In your own words, describe your understanding of Islam.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 5:10 pm to ApexTiger
Well, Issac and Ishmael didn't get alon very well. Lots of stuff happened after that.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 5:15 pm to PsychTiger
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I wish Toothpick was here to respond to this thread.
Would be glorious.
We've added many new members in the last 8 years.
I don't know if some of them could handle Toothpick.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 6:26 pm to ApexTiger
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describe your understanding of Islam.
1 of the 3 best known Abrahamic religions along with Christianity & Judaism .
Same nonsense . Different sects.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 6:29 pm to ApexTiger
Bunch of inbreds following what the Quran says.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 6:44 pm to ApexTiger
This is like asking what everyones understanding of Christianity is. You'll get core similarities, but the gap between a catholic and evangelical's understanding and practice of their religion will be rather wide. So wide in fact many from each side would argue those from the other are in danger of Hell.
Likewise, you'll get the same thing asking such a question about Islam to Muslims.
The issue with Islam, moreso than any theology, is that it never went through an enlightenment. Christianity grew up with western societies technological and social advancements and the two molded together into what we see today. Islam still thrives, generally speaking, in parts of the world where such a social maturation never occurred. You couple that with the Quran not shying away from promoting violence in certain instances and you have a recipe for a far more radical form of religion with respects to its effects on others.
Likewise, you'll get the same thing asking such a question about Islam to Muslims.
The issue with Islam, moreso than any theology, is that it never went through an enlightenment. Christianity grew up with western societies technological and social advancements and the two molded together into what we see today. Islam still thrives, generally speaking, in parts of the world where such a social maturation never occurred. You couple that with the Quran not shying away from promoting violence in certain instances and you have a recipe for a far more radical form of religion with respects to its effects on others.
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