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re: In 10 years, what will grades 9-12 have to read?
Posted on 6/24/20 at 2:58 pm to Spyhunter3
Posted on 6/24/20 at 2:58 pm to Spyhunter3
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Posted on 6/24/20 at 3:03 pm to Spyhunter3
Schools today still have reading lists of Animal Farm, Fahrenheit 451, To Kill a Mockingbird, Lord of the Flies, 1984, etc. Younger generations also read more than the older generations. This fantasy going around that high school kids don't read the typical classics just isn't based in actual reality.
Same thing with college. This fiction that colleges are a bunch of "liberal indoctrination centers" isn't true. Studies / evidence back this up. The vast majority of professors simply don't speak about their political views in class. You're far more likely to go through university and get a total of one or two professors that push their views on students.
About the only case you could potentially make for this are mainly the Ivy league schools.
In that regard, I would guess kids will still be reading classic books in 2030.
Same thing with college. This fiction that colleges are a bunch of "liberal indoctrination centers" isn't true. Studies / evidence back this up. The vast majority of professors simply don't speak about their political views in class. You're far more likely to go through university and get a total of one or two professors that push their views on students.
About the only case you could potentially make for this are mainly the Ivy league schools.
In that regard, I would guess kids will still be reading classic books in 2030.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 3:03 pm to lsufball19
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That book should be read in history class, not AP English
It’s the summer reading assignment for his grade and “level” of class. Not sure it’ll even be talked about much, in the past the summer readings weren’t much of a big deal according to him. He reads all the time. I think it’s importanr that books about Slavery are part of American Lit, not sure about AP English. In college American Lit I read “Diary of a Slave Girl” and “Beloved” (along with short stories from Nathaniel Hawthorne and “the Postman Always Rings Twice”).
I remember dreading the two slave related novels but found them eye opening as most of the History I had in HS kind of romanticized the south and made Slavery to be nicer than it probably was. “Beloved” is an excellent book.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 3:04 pm to Spyhunter3
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I will guarantee none of those will be read again at 99 percent of schools.
Nofiction. Strictly "my struggle stories" and conservative hatred-spewing rhetoric. Fiction will make students use their imagination
Exaggerate much?
The idea that schools will refuse to teach fiction is laughable.
So maybe they'll still include some non-fiction classics about persecuted people (Diary of Anne Frank, Autobiography of Frederick Douglass, etc.), just as they have for a long time. I don't think that's exactly brain-washing.
I'd argue that given the breadth of great fiction in the world and limited class time, you don't need to cover both Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer; just choose one.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 3:16 pm to dswear
So I was lucky enough to get through Undergrad without a professor pushing their own political views on anyone... However, I went back to school to get the hours to sit for the CPA exam and I had to retake a business law class (UCC code was added to the exam and so my credit from LSU didn't transfer)... The business law professor I took in night school was absolutely terrible almost got up and walked out several times but I was taking notes for others who were working and couldn't attend class some nights. I wrote in her review that I didn't pay tuition to hear her political views and that the only reason I was in the class was for the UCC code and she started that material off with "I hate this material so much but I have to teach it." - I asked that if she didn't want to teach the only material I needed she not teach that section of business law. I was pissed.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 3:17 pm to Spyhunter3
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From grades 9 thru 12, I read the following and we discussed them in class: Tom Sawyer Huckleberry Finn Animal Farm Uncle Tom's Cabin The Red Badge of Courage Fahrenheit 451
Serious question. Didn't you take British Authors in 12th grade English class? We read Shakespeare, Chaucer, Dickens, Coleridge, TS Eliot, Kipling. The table of contents in our text book was 20 pages long.
I remember that 12th grade English was not required for a HS diploma back then and I was in a GT class but I assumed that it was the only 12th grade English class available. Hell, maybe there was another version that I didn't know about.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 3:21 pm to Zach
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Didn't you take British Authors in 12th grade English class?
Yup. Going off foggy recollection:
10th was heavy on poetry.
11th was devoted to contemporary American authors (fiction primarily). Contemporary meaning post-WWII. We read everything from Vonnegut to Capote.
12th was Brit Lit. We worked chronologically, starting with Beowulf, and keeping on with Canterbury Tales, etc.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 3:22 pm to Zach
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Serious question. Didn't you take British Authors in 12th grade English class? We read Shakespeare, Chaucer, Dickens, Coleridge, TS Eliot, Kipling. The table of contents in our text book was 20 pages long.
I remember that 12th grade English was not required for a HS diploma back then and I was in a GT class but I assumed that it was the only 12th grade English class available. Hell, maybe there was another version that I didn't know about.
I took AP English and was required to read a lot of what is posted. Plus Austen, Byron, Bronte, Whitman, Homer, and Dante
Posted on 6/24/20 at 3:25 pm to Spyhunter3
I have a four year old that will be homeschooled. I am not taking any chances of him getting indoctrinated into Marxism or turning into a mentally ill tranny fig.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 3:27 pm to Spyhunter3
They don’t even read entire books anymore, just parts of them. We used to read all of the classics like you listed and do reports on them. Don’t see how you get part of the story and come away with an understanding of the message the author was trying to convey.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 3:27 pm to Zach
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Serious question. Didn't you take British Authors in 12th grade English class? We
Yes. 12th was MacBeth, Canterbury Tales, poetry, and writing.
11th was all 19th century American
10th was basically the great novels and short stories.
9th was Oddysey and a mix of stuff.
I read Animal Farm in Civics
And for all of the academic folks who say "they're reading it right now". The semester has not started yet. Wait and see. Huck Finn will not be read.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 3:28 pm to Dawgfanman
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I think it’s important that books about Slavery are part of American Lit, not sure about AP English. In college American Lit I read “Diary of a Slave Girl” and “Beloved” (along with short stories from Nathaniel Hawthorne and “the Postman Always Rings Twice”).
Diary of a Slave Girl, Beloved, and those short stories are books of historical fiction. Books of fiction are appropriate for English/Literature courses. The former is most appropriate in a history course.
An English course in high school should be reading books like The Great Gatsby, Great Expectations, Animal Farm, 1984, The Scarlett Letter, Catcher in the Rye, etc. If they want to read a novels that address slavery and/or oppression, they should be reading books like Uncle Tom's Cabin, To Kill a Mocking Bird, The Adventures of Huckleberry Flynn, The Confessions of Nat Turner, Mandingo, Absalom! Absalom!, I, Dred Scott, etc.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 3:33 pm to Spyhunter3
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Posted on 6/24/20 at 3:34 pm to Steadmans Cheddar
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12th was Brit Lit. We worked chronologically, starting with Beowulf, and keeping on with Canterbury Tales, etc.
Yeah, that was our text. I still remember the final exam. Our little old mean-as-hell woman teacher told us to study the table of contents...Periods, Authors, Works. It was huge. Our exam was to take 20 pages of paper and rewrite it from memory. Every friggin' piece of lit.
When I went to college at Centenary and took my first lit class the prof kept asking 'and who said ...' And I would chime in 'That was Coleridge.'
After 5 right answers he said 'Zach, how do you know so much about British lit?'
Me: 'My teacher was a sadomasochist.'
Him: 'Well, now you know why she did it.'
Posted on 6/24/20 at 3:35 pm to Spyhunter3
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From grades 9 thru 12, I read the following and we discussed them in class:
Tom Sawyer
Huckleberry Finn
Animal Farm
Uncle Tom's Cabin
The Red Badge of Courage
Fahrenheit 451
I seem to remember these from around 3rd to 5th grade
Posted on 6/24/20 at 3:37 pm to Spyhunter3
Nothing. Literature and literacy will be considered racist. Only white slave masters could read back in the old days, and thus, reading is racist. Books will be cancelled.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 3:41 pm to Powerman
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I seem to remember these from around 3rd to 5th grade
3rd - 5th we didn't have specific required books. We were required to go to the library and pick books. I trended biographies so I read:
Andrew Jackson
George Washington Carver
Henry Ford
Stonewall Jackson
Thomas Edison
And a few more I can't recall
The only novel I picked was Huck Finn.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 3:42 pm to Spyhunter3
dims will have them working slave labor. No need to read.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 3:43 pm to SEC2789
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The more you ban books the more people will want to read them.
Unfortunately this is no longer the case. Reading is fading away with the newer generations.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 3:44 pm to Dawgfanman
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To Kill a Mockingbird
How else you gonna plant those white guilt seeds?
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