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Illegal alien problem, could we solve it easier at the local level?
Posted on 5/9/19 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 5/9/19 at 8:10 pm
Make it illegal to sell goods or services, lodging, utilities, communications, money services/transfers etc.. without documentation, at the local level.
Make your town a very uncomfortable place to be, If you aren't a U.S. Citizen, or a legal visitor.
I am almost 60 years old, and I have to show I.D. where I live, anytime I buy alcohol, so what would be the legality of this, if stringently enforced?
Would this be more effective than letting the feds take care of the problem?
Make your town a very uncomfortable place to be, If you aren't a U.S. Citizen, or a legal visitor.
I am almost 60 years old, and I have to show I.D. where I live, anytime I buy alcohol, so what would be the legality of this, if stringently enforced?
Would this be more effective than letting the feds take care of the problem?
This post was edited on 5/9/19 at 8:23 pm
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Posted on 5/9/19 at 8:13 pm to auggie
Can’t do that. Tourists and stuff. Plus, it just doesn’t seem well thought out. Too much can go wrong.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 8:20 pm to indianswim
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Tourists and stuff. Plus, it just doesn’t seem well thought out. Too much can go wrong.
Foreign tourists shouldn't travel w/o documentation...anywhere.
Yeah, it's not well thought out, that's why it's mostly questions. Just kind of a basic idea, and questions about what the average citizen could do to help the problem.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 8:30 pm to auggie
Put painful fines on renting and employing illegals.
Problem solved.
Problem solved.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 8:35 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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Put painful fines on renting and employing illegals. Problem solved.
I agree with fining the employers first, but they have found ways around that, so that the actual employers are separated from the illegal act by employment contractors and distance, making it difficult, costly and slow, to prosecute them.
That's why I was thinking local solutions might work better.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 8:39 pm to auggie
Felony if you hire one.
5 years.
$1,000 reward if you turn someone in and it sticks.
Should nip the whole thing in the bud.
5 years.
$1,000 reward if you turn someone in and it sticks.
Should nip the whole thing in the bud.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 8:53 pm to auggie
quote:So are you then requiring documentation for every transaction at a gas pump and self-service kiosk.
Make it illegal to sell goods or services, lodging, utilities, communications, money services/transfers etc.. without documentation, at the local level.
And what if there is already a long like at the drive thru, and now each person is required to ensure their documentation is present? That’s not the first thing I think to grab I’m grabbing my wife a Diet Coke McDonalds with some spare change.
quote:It would be uncomfortable as Citizen to have to remember to grab one’s ID every time and wait on the verification. Or a real pain if someone happened to leave his/her ID at home. And if that happened, It wouldn’t exactly want to go back that town, if there is another town as close and convenient.
Make your town a very uncomfortable place to be, If you aren't a U.S. Citizen, or a legal visitor.
quote:Well it’s quite a leap to go from presenting ID to buy age-restricted items, to presenting ID for everything.
I am almost 60 years old, and I have to show I.D. where I live, anytime I buy alcohol, so what would be the legality of this, if stringently enforced?
And besides, from a pure freedom standpoint, forcing everyone, including citizens, to keep their ID on them for any and every transaction, as if the presumption is that I’m not a citizen is pretty authoritarian. I doubt anyone would pass such a stupid policy because it probably would stand legally, and even if it did, I doubt it would be quite unpopular and rarely enforced if it isn’t repealed.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 8:55 pm to auggie
Illegals aren’t that much of a problem (It’s propaganda that baws fall for easily), so none of this will happen anywhere.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 8:56 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:No shite.
from a pure freedom standpoint, forcing everyone, including citizens, to keep their ID on them for any and every transaction, as if the presumption is that I’m not a citizen is pretty authoritarian
Posted on 5/9/19 at 8:57 pm to auggie
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Make it illegal to sell goods or services, lodging, utilities, communications, money services/transfers etc.. without documentation, at the local level.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 8:58 pm to auggie
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Make it illegal to sell goods or services, lodging, utilities, communications, money services/transfers etc.. without documentation, at the local level.
Holy shite
Posted on 5/9/19 at 9:00 pm to auggie
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Make it illegal to hire them with stiff penalties
Posted on 5/9/19 at 9:01 pm to auggie
End entitlements for Illegals. They come here for the free shite.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 9:01 pm to auggie
quote:So they can get around something that has a lot of barriers to getting around, with a relatively small sample of individuals to verify for each employer and a one-time verification, and and is an easy inclusion as part of the hiring process anyways that doesn’t cause much of an inconvenience.
I agree with fining the employers first, but they have found ways around that, so that the actual employers are separated from the illegal act by employment contractors and distance, making it difficult, costly and slow, to prosecute them.
That's why I was thinking local solutions might work better.
And your solution is something that would be far easier to get around, a far larger sample of individuals to verify every time they make a transaction, and could be quite an inconvenience if one doesn’t have their ID on them, or even just left it in the car.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 9:01 pm to indianswim
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Can’t do that. Tourists and stuff. Plus, it just doesn’t seem well thought out. Too much can go wrong.
you obviously have never traved outside the USA... you need to show your passport at every hotel i stayed at in europe and asia...
Posted on 5/9/19 at 9:04 pm to xiv
quote:Jose' - where u stay?
Illegals aren’t that much of a problem (It’s propaganda that baws fall for easily), so none of this will happen anywhere.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 9:06 pm to auggie
Arizona tried that. Obama sued them
Posted on 5/9/19 at 9:07 pm to auggie
No it can't be solved just at the local level because by that definition they have already entered your country.
Its the will at the local level. Hard to cross borders, enticing guest worker program and extremely draconian cash penalties that will make a dent.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 9:07 pm to auggie
And not to be overly fear-mongering, but it’s common for who wouldn’t normally have an ID (before a permit) to go to stores and places of entertainment with friends. Is every kid now expected to carry an ID on him/her in case he/she makes a purchase, and do you want every creepster out there knowing that kids have an ID on them that includes their home address?
Posted on 5/9/19 at 9:07 pm to Diamondawg
Sanctuary cities would ignore the laws.
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