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Illegal Abortion = Big Government
Posted on 3/28/18 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 3/28/18 at 8:31 pm
The reason murder is illegal is not because it is morally wrong, as the Constitution does not legislate morality. Murder is illegal because an individual (the murderer) is infringing on the right to life of the victim. It's about guaranteeing life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness to all.
In a society where abortion is illegal (even right after conception), a government would be placing the rights of a group of cells above those of the pregnant woman. Regardless of the moral implications, it's the ultimate BIG government move, right?
In a society where abortion is illegal (even right after conception), a government would be placing the rights of a group of cells above those of the pregnant woman. Regardless of the moral implications, it's the ultimate BIG government move, right?
This post was edited on 3/28/18 at 8:32 pm
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 8:33 pm to PointsInCase
Posted on 3/28/18 at 8:35 pm to PointsInCase
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In a society where abortion is illegal (even right after conception), a government would be placing the rights of a group of cells above those of the pregnant woman. Regardless of the moral implications, it's the ultimate BIG government move, right?
Its all about the rights of the individual except in this situation according to this board.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 8:35 pm to PointsInCase
I’ve seen less convolutions in a pallet of broken down cardboard boxes!
So are you for or against dismembering the little unborn bastards?
So are you for or against dismembering the little unborn bastards?
Posted on 3/28/18 at 8:37 pm to PointsInCase
Aren’t you just a group of cells?
Posted on 3/28/18 at 8:40 pm to 14&Counting
It all comes down to what you define as an individual. The question is "Does human life begin at conception?". If you believe it does, then an abortion is merely homicide because an individual doesn't want to be inconvenienced.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 8:44 pm to Gaspergou202
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I’ve seen less convolutions in a pallet of broken down cardboard boxes!
So are you for or against dismembering the little unborn bastards?
Hahahaha!
I'm not an orangutang-worshipping, hypocritical, emotional little snowflake like the majority of people on this board. I'm against abortion morally, but I think people should make that call themselves, which is the exact definition of pro-choice.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 8:46 pm to PointsInCase
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it's the ultimate BIG government move, right?
Nope.
/end thread.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 8:47 pm to PointsInCase
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. I'm against abortion morally, but I think people should make that call themselves, which is the exact definition of pro-choice
I'm like that for murder...government just hasn't come around yet, or have they for certain people?
Posted on 3/28/18 at 8:48 pm to DrunkerThanThou
quote:Nearly 1/3 of pregnancies end in miscarriage, often before women even realize they are pregnant. It's hard to say there's a human there unless we really stretch the definition of what a human is, but I can understand those who feel differently.
It all comes down to what you define as an individual. The question is "Does human life begin at conception?". If you believe it does, then an abortion is merely homicide because an individual doesn't want to be inconvenienced.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 8:51 pm to IceTiger
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I'm like that for murder...government just hasn't come around yet, or have they for certain people?
Re-read my post. I'm not against murder for moral reasons. I'm against it because one person is infringing on the right to life of another individual.
This post was edited on 3/28/18 at 8:56 pm
Posted on 3/28/18 at 8:52 pm to DrunkerThanThou
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If you believe it does, then an abortion is merely homicide because an individual doesn't want to be inconvenienced.
I think that may be why he's calling it the "Ultimate Big Government Move"...another way of stating that is "Big Government is more than the protector of the mother who choses this route, they get to pass judgment that the unborn "group of cells" is less than the chooser.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 8:53 pm to CFDoc
quote:Everything in life is a group of cells. That doesn't help either side of the argument.
Aren’t you just a group of cells?
Posted on 3/28/18 at 8:55 pm to larry289
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I think that may be why he's calling it the "Ultimate Big Government Move"...another way of stating that is "Big Government is more than the protector of the mother who choses this route, they get to pass judgment that the unborn "group of cells" is less than the chooser.
So the government is protecting the mother from punishment by the government? Nice way of twisting the narrative.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 8:56 pm to PointsInCase
Now I’m even more confused!
Why would you be
If you are
If the aborted is not a human being, then being morally against it would be like being morally opposed to a tonsillectomy or an appendectomy. But if the aborted are human beings, then being “against abortion morally”, but letting people murder in the name of pro-choice makes no sense morally or legally.
It’s kind of like being pro-choice for rape! Or being morally outraged about stopping at a red light.
Why would you be
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...against abortion morally.
If you are
quote:
I'm not an orangutang-worshipping, hypocritical, emotional little snowflake like the majority of people on this board. I'm against abortion morally, but I think people should make that call themselves, which is the exact definition of pro-choice.
If the aborted is not a human being, then being morally against it would be like being morally opposed to a tonsillectomy or an appendectomy. But if the aborted are human beings, then being “against abortion morally”, but letting people murder in the name of pro-choice makes no sense morally or legally.
It’s kind of like being pro-choice for rape! Or being morally outraged about stopping at a red light.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 8:58 pm to PointsInCase
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Everything in life is a group of cells. That doesn't help either side of the argument.
That is precisely your argument, dumbass.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 9:00 pm to Gaspergou202
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If the aborted is not a human being, then being morally against it would be like being morally opposed to a tonsillectomy or an appendectomy.
I'm not equating an unborn fetus with all other non-human groups of cells. I care more about my dog than a tree, but that doesn't mean dogs deserve the same rights as humans.
Your argument is a logical fallacy known as false equivalence.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 9:01 pm to PointsInCase
Do you realize that YOU are STILL a group of cells?
Posted on 3/28/18 at 9:02 pm to CFDoc
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That is precisely your argument, dumbass.
I never said or implied that all groups of cells are equal, you angry little fool, you!
Posted on 3/28/18 at 9:03 pm to omegaman66
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Do you realize that YOU are STILL a group of cells?
Dogs are groups of cells. Humans are groups of cells. Do dogs deserve the same rights as humans?
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