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re: Ike should have listened to Patton
Posted on 7/6/22 at 11:03 am to Gifman
Posted on 7/6/22 at 11:03 am to Gifman
This (drag queen) topic was thoroughly addressed in several other threads and can be easily summarized as follows.
quote:Let’s not derail yet another, OK?
You think drag queens are SCARY. They don’t bother me much. You try very hard to extrapolate that this makes me a child molester or (at a minimum) Ghislane-light. I find your histrionics amusing. endthread
This post was edited on 7/6/22 at 11:16 am
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 11:04 am to ronricks
The best military minds
Secretary of Defense Ash Carter
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark A. Milley
Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Navy Adm. Christopher W. Grady
Secretary of Defense Ash Carter
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark A. Milley
Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Navy Adm. Christopher W. Grady
Posted on 7/6/22 at 11:10 am to Geekboy
Patton was the Trump of his time.
A complete a-hole and didn't care whos feeling got hurt, but he was right most if not all of the time.
And that pissed people off more than him being an a-hole.
A complete a-hole and didn't care whos feeling got hurt, but he was right most if not all of the time.
And that pissed people off more than him being an a-hole.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 11:12 am to LSUAlum2001
Yep. Decisions in war are never black and white. There’s never a real right answer for any decisions made in war.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 11:12 am to Geekboy
When people start talking about “cleansing” Europe, Jews get real nervous.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 11:20 am to AggieHank86
These people need to understand the situation, Germany declared war on us. They were winning. We couldn’t just sit by and watch them get stronger and stronger.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 11:22 am to AggieHank86
quote:
Let’s not derail yet another, OK?
The hypocrisy is strong with this one.....
And GFY with the "anti-Semitism crowd" Bullshite.
The numbers aren't there for you to make that sweeping claim.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 11:35 am to doubleb
quote:You are correct in a general sense, but I think you were conflating two different lines of arguments (both of which have made their appearance in this thread.”
These people need to understand the situation, Germany declared war on us. They were winning. We couldn’t just sit by and watch them get stronger and stronger.
First is the “we should have Switched sides, allied ourselves with the Germans and attacked Russia in 1945” argument. That was the original premise of this thread, and your post does not really address it.
Second is the “we should never have opened a second front” argument. That one dovetails with your comment perfectly. We used the USSR as a tool to exhaust a country which had declared war on us, ultimately weakening that country adequately to allow us to invade and defeat it. Stalin KNEW he was being used, which is why he was constantly begging for a second front, but he had no choice in the matter. He could buy us time with Russian bodies and American equipment, or he could get beaten flat by Germany.
This post was edited on 7/6/22 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 7/6/22 at 11:40 am to Geekboy
Practically speaking, America had no stomach for another War.
It was time to bring the Boys home and rebuild.
It was time to bring the Boys home and rebuild.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 11:46 am to Geekboy
quote:
We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinaman or a Japanese, and from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. - Patton
He would have no place in today's woke military. Milley would have him removed from the service.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 11:49 am to Geekboy
quote:
Ike should have listened to Patto
He also finished off McCarthy. Should have listened.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 12:21 pm to Geekboy
If we’re talking about Communism, the damage had already been done by 1939, the English universities were churning out Communists, and the Communists were a powerful force in French politics. They would enter government after the war, under de Gaulle.
Ideas are like viruses, and Communism had already infected the West.
The continued existence of the Soviet Union was an evil, and it did damage that can never be repaired. The Bolsheviks shattered rural culture, the people may have remained in the countryside, despite everything, but they lived increasingly broken lives. But if there was a way to save the West, that moment had passed somewhere between 1914 and 1921.
Perhaps the most unfortunate conclusion to make, is that the war, and the collapse of Western culture, was driven by the ideas that powered the industrial revolution. Technology, and an increasingly irreligious, and atomized society, would always eat itself alive. Destroying the world that created it. Leaving chaos behind.
Ideas are like viruses, and Communism had already infected the West.
The continued existence of the Soviet Union was an evil, and it did damage that can never be repaired. The Bolsheviks shattered rural culture, the people may have remained in the countryside, despite everything, but they lived increasingly broken lives. But if there was a way to save the West, that moment had passed somewhere between 1914 and 1921.
Perhaps the most unfortunate conclusion to make, is that the war, and the collapse of Western culture, was driven by the ideas that powered the industrial revolution. Technology, and an increasingly irreligious, and atomized society, would always eat itself alive. Destroying the world that created it. Leaving chaos behind.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 12:37 pm to sta4ever
I'm sure everyone in every occupied country would have loved this 10-25 year plan. If you think no way just read your history on wars no one thought would last long lol
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