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re: If Tucker had such a problem with mainstream news outlets

Posted on 5/10/23 at 4:11 pm to
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 4:11 pm to
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Like he professes in his Twitter video, then why did he work for them for 30 years? Why did he only leave Fox after getting fired?

Seems awfully convenient he didn't have a problem with it until it stopped feeding him money and fame.
Posted by SquaringCircles
Member since Sep 2021
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 4:19 pm to
I’ve never really thought the news market was profit-driven like other industries. It’s about power and control of information. That’s why men like Bezos buy media properties. Not because they add to his portfolio but because being able to influence the national perspective helps his actual businesses. Likewise, I don’t believe the Sulzbergers are in it for money but instead to influence national policy. Ideology and control animate that industry more than money. That’s why their coverage is so corporate and government friendly and why you almost never see true dissent in their pages. The people who own the equity have an interest in preserving the status quo and stifling change.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 4:24 pm to
He has made it very well known that he has evolved.

Some people had the veil lifted to see the curtain pulled back and are disgusted with both political parties & DC. And some don't care, because they like it and are snooty, disconnected, idiot neoliberals & neocons.
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
16154 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 4:24 pm to
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he didn't have a problem with it until it stopped


Barry is a moron obviously, but a better question is how Fox News allowed him to beat on the msm and deep state for so long. I guess the answer is he brought in a frick ton of viewers which meant good money for both Tucker and Fox. So now the better question is what so powerful it broke up this profitable relationship? Don't be an idiot like Barry. Ask real questions seek real truths and follow the logic.
This post was edited on 5/10/23 at 4:24 pm
Posted by m2pro
Member since Nov 2008
29658 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 4:31 pm to
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You kind of did when you said the truth would sell more.

How do you even know that?

How would you even know what the truth was?


Do you realize how bad leftwing ratings have been for so long? They are propped up by people who can afford if CNN (and company) tank. They don't care about ratings. Only programming their fools.

There's a reason Trump sells on MSM. He tells shite straight.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 4:34 pm to
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The people who own the equity have an interest in preserving the status quo and stifling change...

...for profit.

I'm just not buying that there is one market sector that's not interested in profits in American capitalism.

But let me get this straight, Bezoses and Sulzbergers can't possibly be in it for profit, but Murdochs can? If Jeff Bezos told you the truth, would you believe him? I doubt it.

It's not about truth, it's about delivery. Walter Winchell taught us that. It's all about entertainment now.
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SquaringCircles

But I see you're somewhat quixotic by nature.
Posted by SquaringCircles
Member since Sep 2021
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 4:55 pm to
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Bezoses and Sulzbergers can't possibly be in it for profit, but Murdochs can

I wouldn’t say “can’t possibly,” only that I don’t believe they are. Murdoch seems different to me. Didn’t he build his fortune in media, as opposed to using a fortune generated elsewhere to buy media? Fox seems like an obvious entertainment product to me intended to make profit. The WaPo and NYT read like boring memos intended to communicate orthodoxy to their readership. Btw, I’ve been reading them both daily for decades.
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If Jeff Bezos told you the truth, would you believe him?

I would consider his motive for saying whatever he said, like I do with everyone. I often believe him. Much like I often believe Tony Fauci, even though I know he knows that Covid came from a research program he funded at the WIV. Truth has to be drawn in pieces from a variety of people, all of whom bring their own interests to the discussion. Nobody is to be trusted blindly.

But also, it’s not so much outright lying. It’s where you place the emphasis, the stories you choose to cover, the questions you decide to ask. It’s the frame, the perspective, that matters.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 5:28 pm to
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I would consider his motive for saying whatever he said, like I do with everyone. I often believe him. Much like I often believe Tony Fauci, even though I know he knows that Covid came from a research program he funded at the WIV. Truth has to be drawn in pieces from a variety of people, all of whom bring their own interests to the discussion. Nobody is to be trusted blindly.

But also, it’s not so much outright lying. It’s where you place the emphasis, the stories you choose to cover, the questions you decide to ask. It’s the frame, the perspective, that matters.

This is all correct and what we should expect from the media.

The difference between us only seems to be their motives. I just assume in this country people are motivated by profit. You seem to be assuming that the motivation is ideological and not profit driven. I see how ideology slants information delivery, but I can't expect unbiased reporting. I still say that the large, publicly traded, news media corporations are motivated by share price - like every single other large, publicly traded corporation.

I suspect that the pool of journalists also has some effect on news delivery. But again, this also seems to be market driven as, generally speaking, more conservative people will gravitate towards more profitable endeavors than journalism. Thus we get more liberal, idealists in Journalism today.

Although most of the people I knew in college that got jobs in Journalism left the field because they were disillusioned by the fact that the marketing departments generally made the editorial decisions - in order to keep their advertisers.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 5:40 pm to
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They don't care about ratings.

Actually they care about their advertising sales pretty much above all else. The advertisers care about the ratings.
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There's a reason Trump sells on MSM. He tells shite straight.

Okay, I really can't take you seriously now. Trump is about as full of shite as a person can be and still be considered human. Or maybe you missed the whole corona virus episode.

I mean the man started out lying about his inauguration crowd, for christ's sake.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
47997 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 6:46 pm to
Yeah - cause if he'd have quit on day 1 - just look how much influence he could have wrought with that extra 30 years of total independence.

what a loss
Posted by Wilson2023
Fort Worth, TX
Member since Oct 2022
18 posts
Posted on 5/11/23 at 8:30 am to
I don’t understand why we are making Tucker out to be some sort of saint. There are lots of options if you want to sit for an hour and be told what you want to hear
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