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If Trump loses it will be because of the virus. Bu he won't lose unless he give in.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 2:24 am
Posted on 6/28/20 at 2:24 am
He was on cruise control for a second term and a no win disaster appeared. There is no stopping people in a free society where everyone will eventually be exposed from contracting the virus, it is here to stay, part of America. And then the attendant economic fallout. And the internal turmoil which he played no part in. To make matters worse he can't get out and do the rallies because of the fear of the virus is holding the crowds down. You talk about a combination of bad luck! But the enthusiasm is still there!
He has been one hell of a president with a nasty habit. A thin skin, sensitive nature in a job 100% sure to draw all sorts of negative fire. And a late night tweeting response to it. But nothing has changed, the Trump people are still on board and will show up.
He has been one hell of a president with a nasty habit. A thin skin, sensitive nature in a job 100% sure to draw all sorts of negative fire. And a late night tweeting response to it. But nothing has changed, the Trump people are still on board and will show up.
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 2:34 am to jimdog
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If Trump loses it will be because of the virus.
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a no win disaster
And there you have it. If folks can manage to understand this then he shouldn't suffer much from it in the way of vote loss. Specifically that in reality he doesn't bear any level of personal responsibility that would translate to justification for being blamed. And any loss of support therefrom.
Of course some people insist on trying to talk themselves out of that reality, Heaven only knows why. Hopefully those inexplicable cases are too few to ultimately matter.
This post was edited on 6/28/20 at 2:36 am
Posted on 6/28/20 at 2:44 am to jimdog
Trump doesn’t strike me as one to adjust the course of the campaign to offset deficiencies in polling. He’s going to stick with what won him the election in 2016 and basically ignore polling data. I feel that’s a mistake that will come back to haunt him. Right now he’s locked in appealing to his base. He has to start tapping in to the Independents that are leaning to Biden by shifting focus on his vision for the next 4 years and contrasting his strengths to Biden’s weaknesses. I’m still trying hard to convince myself Trump’s heart is in this thing.
This post was edited on 6/28/20 at 2:45 am
Posted on 6/28/20 at 2:46 am to davyjones
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And there you have it. If folks can manage to understand this then he shouldn't suffer much from it in the way of vote loss.
The problem is that you could make some arguments that the pandemic could have been handled better
And Biden has the luxury of not being any sort of important decision maker in any of this so he can't be blamed for anything. If he was someone like Cuomo with a record that could hurt him it would be one thing. But he's conveniently washed his hands of the whole thing because he was never required to do anything in the first place.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 2:52 am to jimdog
If unemployment isn't extended past July 31, Trump will not win reelection. Too many people are legitimately unemployed and can't find any suitable employment because of all the restrictions on businesses currently due to corona and just simply not hiring. Trump can easily turn into another Hoover if things continue and people are left broke and have no means to survive.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 2:54 am to jimdog
They will keep the economy stalled as deep into the election cycle as humanly possible. The longer they can keep businesses from opening up fully the better. Anything to get rid of Trump and get back to the status quo of the Bush and Obama years.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 2:57 am to JustLivinTheDream
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They will keep the economy stalled as deep into the election cycle as humanly possible. The longer they can keep businesses from opening up fully the better. Anything to get rid of Trump and get back to the status quo of the Bush and Obama years.
That's why if you're both conservative and want Trump to win you have to basically pick one
Trump will have to push for another stimulus and get it passed for economic conditions to be suitable for him to win
That goes against what conservatives would normally want. Guess you have to ask yourself is another massive stimulus worth it to elect Trump or not. Because I see no way he gets elected without another stimulus bill going through.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 3:02 am to SlickRickerz
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If unemployment isn't extended past July 31, Trump will not win reelection. Too many people are legitimately unemployed and can't find any suitable employment because of all the restrictions on businesses currently due to corona and just simply not hiring. Trump can easily turn into another Hoover if things continue and people are left broke and have no means to survive.
Are you talking about the Corona dividend UE benefits? They have to go. Provide the normal level of UE, that’s fine - but one reason some people are unemployed right now is they want to be.
1. There are a ton of employees that have not missed a paycheck but Have filed for and are receiving UE - states are not even attempting to qualify who gets the benefit.
2. Business owners can’t get their employees back in the office/shop because employees would rather stay on the dole. The federal government is competing with small businesses for employees, and the economic rebound is going to be way choppy until that’s no longer the case.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 3:05 am to Powerman
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Trump will have to push for another stimulus and get it passed for economic conditions to be suitable for him to win
A bad economy, would push people to vote for Biden? That would be some idiots right there.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 3:09 am to Powerman
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is another massive stimulus worth it to elect Trump or not
Yes
Posted on 6/28/20 at 3:16 am to Powerman
I made no such statements/argument. In fact the opposite in that the virus is and will continue to be a part of American existence, and moreover human existence. Like breathing out and breathing in. You don't "handle" that. LOL! BTW, how do you think a "special needs" guy like Joe Biden would "handle" a virus that only a vaccine will eventually moderate like hopefully influenza. Trump has developed Warp Speed to do just that and hopefully that will bear fruit shortly. And he "handled" getting some instant cash in needy hands for lost jobs. And did that in warp speed.
The worst is yet to come and that is the world calamity of starvation brought about by economic fallout. That and the permanent underclass created by your democrats right here in America by breaking up families. Whose gonna "handle" feeding them in a struggling dem economy? The next administration is fricked and that is already "handled".
The worst is yet to come and that is the world calamity of starvation brought about by economic fallout. That and the permanent underclass created by your democrats right here in America by breaking up families. Whose gonna "handle" feeding them in a struggling dem economy? The next administration is fricked and that is already "handled".
Posted on 6/28/20 at 3:20 am to auggie
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A bad economy, would push people to vote for Biden?
Bad economies typically don't work out well for incumbents
I'm not saying it's logical but that's a reality
Posted on 6/28/20 at 3:22 am to jimdog
The joke will be on them because the virus will still be around if Biden is president.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 3:25 am to jimdog
America 2020 election boils down to
Trump and the RINOs vs Biden and the Marxists
Give me Trump all fricking day. Hell no to any Democrat POS. Yeah, there are a lot of shitty big government Republicans, but there are a few real conservatives sprinkled in and at least with Trump you know you'll get a president that's pro-America, pro-business, and won't tax you to death.
As soon as the Democrats get back in power your taxes are going to skyrocket and they will find a way to intrude into your life every chance they get. The middle class will go back to getting fricked while the rich get richer and the political class lives the high life while the working class peons get nothing.
Trump and the RINOs vs Biden and the Marxists
Give me Trump all fricking day. Hell no to any Democrat POS. Yeah, there are a lot of shitty big government Republicans, but there are a few real conservatives sprinkled in and at least with Trump you know you'll get a president that's pro-America, pro-business, and won't tax you to death.
As soon as the Democrats get back in power your taxes are going to skyrocket and they will find a way to intrude into your life every chance they get. The middle class will go back to getting fricked while the rich get richer and the political class lives the high life while the working class peons get nothing.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 3:30 am to Powerman
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Bad economies typically don't work out well for incumbents
This isn't your normal bad economy, caused by the incumbent's policies and inaction. Most people realize that this bad economy was created by extraordinary circumstances.
Trump brought the economy back to a boom, after the disaster of 8 years of the Obama administration's absolute incompetence. Joe Biden was part of that incompetence. To vote for him would be suicide. Most people realize this.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 3:33 am to auggie
Don't forget that the average voter is a Democrat that has high blood pressure and TDS
Posted on 6/28/20 at 3:34 am to SlickRickerz
It's the next president who will take the fall. If Trump is not re-elected the stock market will wipe wealth and prosperity off the American scene in an untold fashion. And as good as people have had it under Trump it will be just that horrible under a Biden folly. You can expect a record loss of jobs and unemployment numbers since business does not trust dems.
Good news is likely black people will snap that Trump was the reason for low employment and get on board in record numbers in the future for job creators rather than welfare pushers. JMO.
Good news is likely black people will snap that Trump was the reason for low employment and get on board in record numbers in the future for job creators rather than welfare pushers. JMO.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 3:36 am to JustLivinTheDream
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Don't forget that the average voter is a Democrat that has high blood pressure and TDS
I think social media could give that impression, but most people are actually pretty level headed.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 3:39 am to auggie
More people voted for Hillary than Trump in 2016. Now, maybe there were some people who were scared that Trump was going to tank our country and this time around they'll be wiser and vote for him, but half of this country votes blue on a regular basis.
This post was edited on 6/28/20 at 3:41 am
Posted on 6/28/20 at 3:44 am to JustLivinTheDream
We'll see. By the time the election comes around, I don't think anyone will vote for Biden.
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