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re: If the wall is just a silly orange man idea
Posted on 1/6/19 at 8:15 am to Powerman
Posted on 1/6/19 at 8:15 am to Powerman
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I think it really is symbolic. I don't think anyone on the hill really thinks a wall makes that much of a difference either way.
Liberals didn’t suddenly start caring about a few billion dollars on something they think is a waste of money. They want to die on this hill because it will result in a permanent enforcement of the southern border that mere policy changes won’t be able to undo.
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Posted on 1/6/19 at 8:20 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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The battle is about what type of symbolic message do we want to send to the rest of the world. Do we want to be a bunch of isolationist/nationalists or do we want to be a country that welcomes immigrants?
WTF? Get serious... There is a LEGAL process to immigrate to the US. I went through the process with my wife when we moved back from Germany. Not a fun process. Frankfurt Embassy handled everything and within 2 months we had her green card. They do stuff like medical exams to ensure immigrants aren't carrying diseases into our country, THE HORROR!!! They check finances to make sure people aren't going to come over and leach off our system, BAD AMERICA!! They interviewed both of us to determine if our marriage was "real" or just for immigration purposes, AHHHH!! luckily we had 2 children to bolster our claim of being legit. They even do background checks with law enforcement to check for criminal histories , OH MY......
I have ZERO tolerance for ILLEGAL immigration and that is what we are fighting against, but people like you just keep regurgitating leftist BS because you can't think for yourself. Mind - Controlled !
Posted on 1/6/19 at 8:24 am to Powerman
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My view is the wall is merely symbolic.
I’m in favor of the wall in part because its “symbolism” is what makes it effective.
A wall sends a message. That message is - this is our fricking country and we control the point of entry. The message itself can control the points of entry.
Works jusf like a red light at an intersection. Sometimes people run the red light. Sometimes redlights malfunction. But we put up redlights because they control traffic by telling people, no matter their language, no matter their education to STOP and wait your damn turn before entering this intersection.
This post was edited on 1/6/19 at 8:27 am
Posted on 1/6/19 at 8:25 am to Jack Bauers HnK
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Liberals didn’t suddenly start caring about a few billion dollars on something they think is a waste of money
Right. It's a symbolic stance.
Liberals want to have themselves viewed as the more welcoming inclusive types
Conservatives want to be viewed as tough on issues of national security (of which border security is a subset)
It really is just symbolic identity politics by almost all politicians involved. No one cares about 5 billion dollars nor do they care about the wall.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 8:30 am to Powerman
I guess there’s plenty of reasons for people to support or oppose it, but you’d seem to be ignoring the effectiveness of the wall itself as though people aren’t supporting or opposing it because it will actually work.
What other method of border control physically prevents illegal entry such that we won’t have to deal with bs asylum claims from people already on our side?
What other method of border control physically prevents illegal entry such that we won’t have to deal with bs asylum claims from people already on our side?
Posted on 1/6/19 at 8:31 am to Strannix
Ask trump. He is proud of it apparently.
Eta: wall is a silly idea. Around a home or community, a wall will keep out the casual or opportunistic criminal. If someone wants into my home, they are getting in though.(i have no wall, nor alarm, just locked doors).
I dont think anyone that crosses the border illegally is doing it on a lark. A wall isnt going to stop them.
The goal should be to keep the money in the country here: find a way to tax their earnings, be it a temporary work id, or some other way, and keep it in the country.
Eta: wall is a silly idea. Around a home or community, a wall will keep out the casual or opportunistic criminal. If someone wants into my home, they are getting in though.(i have no wall, nor alarm, just locked doors).
I dont think anyone that crosses the border illegally is doing it on a lark. A wall isnt going to stop them.
The goal should be to keep the money in the country here: find a way to tax their earnings, be it a temporary work id, or some other way, and keep it in the country.
This post was edited on 1/6/19 at 8:42 am
Posted on 1/6/19 at 8:32 am to SouthernHog
quote:IF that's the message, then a wall is ridiculously unnecessary. Enforcing laws of legal immigration is the answer.
The message is simple, we want immigrants to come here LEGALLY. Frick what the world thinks of a wall.
Trump doesn't want to do that. Nobody in government wants to do that. Why don't they? That's where the discussion should focus. The wall only serves as a distraction from it.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 8:33 am to Powerman
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The battle is about what type of symbolic message do we want to send to the rest of the world. Do we want to be a bunch of isolationist/nationalists or do we want to be a country that welcomes immigrants?
Stupid false dichotomy, you don't need a wall to manage people who respect our country's law and want to immigrate legally.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 8:37 am to TX Tiger
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Enforcing laws of legal immigration is the answer.
What do we do when President Pocahontas decides she doesn’t want to enforce those laws?
Posted on 1/6/19 at 8:38 am to Homesick Tiger
quote:Why do you think Trump doesn't just demand those laws be enforced? Wouldn't that be much simpler and more effective than trying to build a wall around the southern border?
It's essentially just a middle finger to people saying you're not welcome here.
So are laws that are already in place but not being enforced by current state and local governments, so there's that.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 8:44 am to Jack Bauers HnK
quote:That's the problem. Republicans and Democrats alike have purposely not enforced those laws for quite some time now. Why?
Enforcing laws of legal immigration is the answer.
What do we do when President Pocahontas decides she doesn’t want to enforce those laws?
Again, that's where this discussion should be focused. The wall only serves as a distraction to it and a waste of time and money.
As you clearly pointed out in the other thread, the wall will not deter those who seek to come here illegally.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 8:56 am to roadGator
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We always welcome immigrants.
The US takes in a higher number of legal immigrants a year the the next 5 countries combined.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 9:02 am to TX Tiger
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That's the problem. Republicans and Democrats alike have purposely not enforced those laws for quite some time now. Why? Again, that's where this discussion should be focused. The wall only serves as a distraction to it and a waste of time and money. As you clearly pointed out in the other thread, the wall will not deter those who seek to come here illegally.
Enter orange man who wants to build a wall to passively enforce all of those laws both parties have been ignoring now and in the future.
It boggles the mind that some people think a wall won’t work. Walls have been around longer than the wheel.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 9:14 am to Powerman
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My view is the wall is merely symbolic. It's essentially just a middle finger to people saying you're not welcome here
You mean a symbol saying come here legally is a middle finger? Then I am all for the middle finger.
The USA border situation is the laughing stock of the world. I travel internationally and friends from other countries simply cannot believe that we do not secure our borders to keep illegals out.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 9:17 am to Jack Bauers HnK
quote:You clearly stated, in the other thread, that it won't work. Here, let me help you...
It boggles the mind that some people think a wall won’t work.
quote:Then you confirmed that those who seek to come here illegally are the most determined, and not doing it just on a whim.
But a wall, like your locked front door and all other physical barriers, deter all but the most determined.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 9:19 am to Nguyener
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welcome guests that are invited but shut and lock your door to those that aren't.
Is that what you do? Hide behind your locked door, peeking through the curtains?
I just tell them to GTFO.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 9:38 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Is that what you do? Hide behind your locked door, peeking through the curtains?
I just tell them to GTFO.
Do you lock the doors on your house at all?
If so, why?
Posted on 1/6/19 at 9:41 am to Godfather1
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Do you lock the doors on your house at all?
I don't unless I go out of town
Posted on 1/6/19 at 9:43 am to Strannix
Although a wall wouldn't stop all immigration $5B of well placed wall would definitely help border patrol
Posted on 1/6/19 at 9:44 am to Powerman
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I don't unless I go out of town
Then the fact that you’re still here posting is proof of the old adage that God does indeed watch out for fools, drunks and children.
Why do you lock it when you’re out of town?
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