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re: If Hitler was allowed to take over Europe, then Islam wouldn't be a problem now

Posted on 10/27/14 at 7:39 am to
Posted by JEAUXBLEAUX
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 7:39 am to
Man some people here are f'in sick. I tell you what, if you are so anti Muslim that you are turning into Nazi sympathizers that's sick. Man you really hate the Jewish people (some of you).

shameful
Posted by bamarep
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 7:42 am to
"IF" my aunt had a flopper, she'd be my uncle.
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 7:56 am to
Actually, the Nazis under Hitler and the fascists under Mussolini are responsible for the rise of radical Islam. Saw a program on the American Heroes Channel (Military Channel).

Hitler's Mufti

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In 1933, within weeks of Hitler's rise to power in Germany, the German Consul-General in Palestine, the pro-nazi Heinrich Wolff,[128] sent a telegram to Berlin reporting al-Husseini's belief that Palestinian Muslims were enthusiastic about the new regime and looked forward to the spread of Fascism throughout the region. Wolff met al-Husseini and many sheiks again, a month later, at Nabi Musa. They expressed their approval of the anti-Jewish boycott in Germany and asked Wolff not to send any Jews to Palestine.[129] Wolff subsequently wrote in his annual report for that year that the Arabs' political naïvety led them to fail to recognize the link between German Jewish policy and their problems in Palestine, and that their enthusiasm for Nazi Germany was devoid of any real understanding of the phenomenon.[130] The various proposals by Palestinian Arab notables like al-Husseini were rejected consistently over the years out of concern to avoid disrupting Anglo-German relations, in line with Germany's policy of not imperilling their economic and cultural interests in the region by a change in their policy of neutrality, and respect for British interests. Hitler's Englandpolitik essentially precluded significant assistance to Arab leaders.[131] Italy also made the nature of its assistance to the Palestinian contingent on the outcome of its own negotiations with Britain, and cut off aid when it appeared that the British were ready to admit the failure of their pro-Zionist policy in Palestine.[132] Al-Husseini's adversary, Ze'ev Jabotinsky had at the same time cut off Irgun ties with Italy after the passage of antisemitic racial legislation.


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Al-Husseini used his influence and ties with the Germans to promote Arab nationalism in Iraq. He was among the key promoters of the pan-Arab Al-Muthanna Club, and supported the coup d'état by Rashid Ali in April 1941. The situation of Iraq's Jews rapidly deteriorated, with extortions and sometimes murders taking place.[143] When the Anglo-Iraqi War broke out, al-Husseini used his influence to issue a fatwa for a holy war against Britain. As the British advanced on the capital, the Farhud pogrom in Baghdad, led by members of the Al-Muthanna Club,[144] which had served as a conduit for German propaganda funding,[145] erupted in June 1941, following the Iraqi defeat and the collapse of Rashid Ali's government. The pogrom was rooted in antisemitic incitement during the preceding decade against the backdrop of the conflict between Arabs and Jews in Palestine.[143]

When the war failed for the Iraqis—given its paucity, German and Italian assistance played a negligible role in the war[146]—al-Husseini escaped to Persia (together with Rashid Ali), where he was granted legation asylum first by Japan, and then by Italy. On 8 October, after the occupation of Persia by the Allies and after the new Persian government of Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi severed diplomatic relations with the Axis powers, al-Husseini was taken under Italian protection and conveyed through Turkey to Axis Europe[147][148] in an operation organized by Italian Military Intelligence (Servizio Informazioni Militari, or SIM).[149]


Continue reading the wiki page. A lot of information with ties to the Axis powers. Even some on Al Husseini running concentration camps.

Also, I believe Al Husseini was a relative of Saddam Hussein.

So to answer this question

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If Hitler was allowed to take over Europe, then Islam wouldn't be a problem now


that is false. Islam would spread wider.
Posted by ChewyDante
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:18 am to
Honestly, that's a really invalid conclusion to draw and there were tons of factors at play in regard to the Arab world at that time. They were completely colonized and dominated by the British and French and had a tremendous deal of animosity toward those powers, especially for the British for betraying promises if self-governance after their support in WW1. ISIS has made numerous references to Sykes-Picot, which obviously predates any Hitlerian influence.

Not to mention the Balfour Declaration and the steady influx of European Jews into the Palestinian territory under British control.

It was quite natural and obvious for the Germans to seek friendly relations with the Arabs and to exploit their disdain for British/French domination for geopolitical considerations of numerous benefits.

Also, radical Islam's rise as a global threat has been relatively recent and has much to do with Israel, their vast gain in wealth and global relevance due to their oil, and relationships with the West. To assert that Nazi Germany would have created a more dangerous Islamic world in relation to the West is really lacking any credibility.

That said, it doesn't require a radical Nazi-like regime to keep Islam's threat to the West at bay, it simply require non-leftist leadership which is the opposite of what Europe has demonstrated since the end of WWII.
Posted by Blue Velvet
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 3:02 pm to
Hitler Learns Christians Claim He Is An Atheist

You know that "Hitler's Table Talk" was debunked right? Oops. Well.... uhhh.... this is awkward.

There are hundreds, if not thousands, of quotes like the following. I could go on like this for days...

"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.."

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.

Just as the Jew could once incite the mob of Jerusalem against Christ, so today he must succeed in inciting folk who have been duped into madness to attack those who, God's truth! seek to deal with this people in utter honesty and sincerity.

In the Bible we find the text, 'That which is neither hot nor cold will I spew out of my mouth.' This utterance of the great Nazarene has kept its profound validity until the present day.

In the life of nations, what in the last resort decides questions is a kind of Judgment Court of God.... Always before god and the world the stronger has the right to carry through what he wills.

People ask: is there someone fit to be our leader? Our task is not to search for that person. Either God will give him to us or he will not come. Our task is to shape the sword that he will need when he comes. Our task it to provide the leader with a nation which is ready for him when he comes! My fellow Germans, awaken! The new day is dawning!

It will at any rate be my supreme task to see to it that in the newly awakened NSDAP, the adherents of both Confessions can live peacefully together side by side in order that they may take their stand in the common fight against the power which is the mortal foe of any true Christianity.

We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls.... We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people.

We are determined, as leaders of the nation, to fulfill as a national government the task which has been given to us, swearing fidelity only to God, our conscience, and our Volk.... This the national government will regard its first and foremost duty to restore the unity of spirit and purpose of our Volk. It will preserve and defend the foundations upon which the power of our nation rests. It will take Christianity, as the basis of our collective morality, and the family as the nucleus of our Volk and state, under its firm protection....May God Almighty take our work into his grace, give true form to our will, bless our insight, and endow us with the trust of our Volk.

Except the Lord built the house they labour in vain.... The truth of that text was proved if one looks at the house of which the foundations were laid in 1918 and which since then has been in building.... The world will not help, the people must help itself. Its own strength is the source of life. That strength the Almighty has given us to use; that in it and through it we may wage the battle of our life.... The others in the past years have not had the blessing of the Almighty-- of Him Who in the last resort, whatever man may do, holds in His hands the final decision. Lord God, let us never hesitate or play the coward, let us never forget the duty which we have taken upon us.... We are all proud that through God's powerful aid we have become once more true Germans.

do some reading and check out the citations

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Open a fricking history book.


Hitler was born and baptized into Catholicism

His Jewish antisemitism came from his Christian background.

His early personal notes shows his interest in religion and Biblical views.

He believed that the Bible represented the history of mankind.

His Nazi party platform (their version of a constitution) included a section on Positive Christianity, and he never removed it.

He confessed his Christianity.

He tried to establish a united Reich German Church.

Hitler allowed the destruction of Jewish synagogues and temples, but rarely Christian churches.

He encouraged Nazis to worship in Christian churches.

He spoke of his Christian beliefs in his speeches and proclamations.

His contemporaries, friends, Protestant ministers and Catholics priests, including the Vatican, thought of Hitler as a Christian.

The Catholic Church never excommunicated Hitler. He died a Catholic.

You know who else were proud Christians? Dozens of other infamous Hitlerites and Nazis. Let me know if you need some links and sources to thousands of lines of proof in their own words.

You should actually read Mein Kampf. Spare yourself more future embarrassment. You'll already keen to much of his platform.
Posted by genro
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 7:19 pm to
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You know that "Hitler's Table Talk" was debunked right?
That is absolutely not true at all. WTF?


You skipped Hitler's early and late life, and focused only on his obvious concessions to the church as he rose to power. He made this very obvious later.

His "Christian" background? His father hated the church. His ties were always purely nationalist and very clearly based in (a misunderstanding and bastardizing of) Darwinian evolution.

Most of the stuff you posted is categorically false.

Open a history book. Instead of focusing on the one narrative you want, try them all. Then draw a conclusion
Or post wikipedia and amazon links

ETA: your wiki page agrees with me.

You couldn't even read the whole wiki page

You literally googled "Hitler Christian", selected a few quotes and links and the end. What a nuanced approach.

Whoops


This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 7:46 pm
Posted by Blue Velvet
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:33 pm to
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your wiki page agrees with me.

You couldn't even read the whole wiki page
No, you didn't:
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Disputed[edit]
Hitler's Table Talk[edit]
Trevor-Roper, Hugh, ed (2000). Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944. Trans. N. Cameron and R.H. Stevens (3rd ed.). New York: Engima Books. LCC DD247.H5 A685 2000. ISBN 9781929631056. The original German notebooks, which are the primary source for these quotations, are filtered through Martin Bormann, who was an atheist and antitheist. It has been suggested that some statements regarding Hitler's views of Christianity may not have been translated faithfully from the original German, and alternative versions have been put forward by Richard Carrier and Reinhold Mittschang. (See Carrier, R. C. (October 2003), "'Hitler's Table Talk': Troubling Finds", German Studies Review 26 (3): 566, ISSN 0149-7952)


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That is absolutely not true at all. WTF?


Myths made up by François Genoud.

Even if you did believe that everything from the Table Talks was real, there are many problems:

1) The reliability of the source (hearsay and editing by the anti-Catholic, Bormann)

2) The reliability of multiple translations, from German to French to English.

3) The bias of the translators (especially François Genoud).

4) The table-talk reflects thoughts that do not occur in Hitler's other private or public conversations.

5) Nowhere does Hitler denounce Jesus or his own brand of Christianity.

6) The "anti-Christian" portions of Table-Talk does not concur with Hitler's actions for "positive" Christianity.

LINK

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You skipped Hitler's early and late life
No I didn't. Born a Christian, led as a Christian, died a Christian.
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Most of the stuff you posted is categorically false
They're his own words. Again, read Mein Kampf.
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Open a history book.
We have Hitler's words to read... not a made up source of other apologetics & revisionists.
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wikipedia
Again, check the sources.
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amazon
To his book. You should read it. It has his love of Christianity and fascism right there on the pages; straight up your alley. You'd love it.
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You literally googled "Hitler Christian", selected a few quotes and links and the end. What a nuanced approach.
I quoted the man. You didn't. No need to hide from the truth. The man was a proud Christian. You're better off saying that he was a shitty one than trying to claim that he wasn't one at all. He supported it from birth to death; though he tried to change the church to fit his agenda.

There's no argument here. You're wrong. I'm right. Hitler says so himself. You're sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling. The man was a Christian whether you like it or not. No need to re-write history to suit your agenda when it's already damnable.
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 8:36 pm
Posted by genro
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:12 pm to
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No, you didn't:
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Disputed[edit]
Hitler's Table Talk[edit]
Trevor-Roper, Hugh, ed (2000). Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944. Trans. N. Cameron and R.H. Stevens (3rd ed.). New York: Engima Books. LCC DD247.H5 A685 2000. ISBN 9781929631056. The original German notebooks, which are the primary source for these quotations, are filtered through Martin Bormann, who was an atheist and antitheist. It has been suggested that some statements regarding Hitler's views of Christianity may not have been translated faithfully from the original German, and alternative versions have been put forward by Richard Carrier and Reinhold Mittschang. (See Carrier, R. C. (October 2003), "'Hitler's Table Talk': Troubling Finds", German Studies Review 26 (3): 566, ISSN 0149-7952)
That's literally one publication. A fricking atheist conspiracy theorist with an agenda.

The stated consensus:

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In adulthood, he became disdainful of Christianity but in power was prepared to delay clashes with the churches out of political considerations.[2]


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Hitler's architect Albert Speer believed he had "no real attachment" to Catholicism, but that he had never formally left the Church. Unlike his comrade Joseph Goebbels, Hitler was not excommunicated[3] prior to his suicide. The biographer John Toland noted Hitler's anticlericalism, but considered him still in "good standing" with the Church by 1941, while historians such as Ian Kershaw, Joachim Fest and Alan Bullock agree that Hitler was anti-Christian - a view evidenced by sources such as the Goebbels Diaries, the memoirs of Speer, and the transcripts edited by Martin Bormann contained within Hitler's Table Talk.[4] Goebbels wrote in 1941 that Hitler "hates Christianity, because it has crippled all that is noble in humanity."[5] Many historians have come to the conclusion that Hitler's long term aim was the eradication of Christianity in Germany,[6]


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His regime did not publicly advocate for state atheism, but it did seek to reduce the influence of Christianity on society. Hitler himself was reluctant of public attacks on the Church for political reasons, despite the urgings of Nazis like Bormann. Although he was sceptical of religion,[9][10] he did not present himself to the public as an atheist, and spoke of belief in an "almighty creator".[11][12] In private he could be ambiguous.[13][14]

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No I didn't. Born a Christian, led as a Christian, died a Christian.
All evidence says otherwise.
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They're his own words. Again, read Mein Kampf.
If you don't understand Mein Kampf as the political treatise of a megalomaniacal genius who wrote it while in fricking prison for a failed coup attempt, then you are retarded. Apply a small amount of nuance. Or literally look at any evidence, any personal accounts, or how the tone of his speeches changed later. Look at his regime attempted to marginalize the church. It was a political ploy, and this is obvious to anyone with a modicum of intuition, it was stated by Hitler himself, and affirmed by ALL were near him at this time and lived to testify.


This is a 100% fact: You are focusing solely on Mein Kampf, written in prison in 1925 by a megalomaniacal political prisoner, which is quite obvious to anyone a piece of propaganda, and then you have turned your attention to one particular conspiracy theory regarding one particular transcription, and ignoring the mounds of evidence that exists in the time later. You are applying zero critical thinking and intelligence and allowing your anti-religious biases to cloud your judgment. Is Barack Obama a born-again Christian? He said he was. I don't understand how you don't get this. Ask any historian.
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 9:19 pm
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:15 pm to
I can copy wiki sources too. But I have a shite-load more.


Or go to your local bookstore and pick up a definitve biography of Hitler. And read it. That's all you have to do.
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3. Guenter Lewy; The Catholic Church And Nazi Germany; 1964; p. 303
4. Albert Speer. (1997). Inside the Third Reich: Memoirs. New York: Simon and Schuster, p. 96.
5. a b Fred Taylor Translation; The Goebbels Diaries 1939-41; Hamish Hamilton Ltd; London; 1982; ISBN 0-241-10893-4; pp.304-305
6.
Sharkey, Word for Word/The Case Against the Nazis; How Hitler's Forces Planned To Destroy German Christianity, New York Times, 13 January 2002
Alan Bullock; Hitler: A Study in Tyranny; HarperPerennial Edition 1991; p 219: "Once the war was over, [Hitler] promised himself, he would root out and destroy the influence of the Christian Churches, but until then he would be circumspect"
Michael Phayer; The Response of the German Catholic Church to National Socialism, published by Yad Vashem: "By the latter part of the decade of the Thirties church officials were well aware that the ultimate aim of Hitler and other Nazis was the total elimination of Catholicism and of the Christian religion. Since the overwhelming majority of Germans were either Catholic or Protestant this goal had to be a long-term rather than a short-term Nazi objective."
Shirer, William L., Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany, p. p 240, Simon and Schuster, 1990: "under the leadership of Rosenberg, Bormann and Himmler—backed by Hitler—the Nazi regime intended to destroy Christianity in Germany, if it could, and substitute the old paganism of the early tribal Germanic gods and the new paganism of the Nazi extremists."
Fischel, Jack R., Historical Dictionary of the Holocaust , p. 123, Scarecrow Press, 2010: “The objective was to either destroy Christianity and restore the German gods of antiquity or to turn Jesus into an Aryan.”
Gill, Anton (1994). An Honourable Defeat; A History of the German Resistance to Hitler. Heinemann Mandarin. 1995 paperback ISBN 978-0-434-29276-9, pp. 14–15: "[the Nazis planned to] de-Christianise Germany after the final victory".
Mosse, George Lachmann, Nazi culture: intellectual, cultural and social life in the Third Reich, p. 240, University of Wisconsin Press, 2003: "Had the Nazis won the war their ecclesiastical policies would have gone beyond those of the German Christians, to the utter destruction of both the Protestant and the Catholic Church.
Dill, Marshall, Germany: a modern history , p. 365, University of Michigan Press, 1970: “It seems no exaggeration to insist that the greatest challenge the Nazis had to face was their effort to eradicate Christianity in Germany or at least to subjugate it to their general world outlook.”
Wheaton, Eliot Barculo The Nazi revolution, 1933–1935: prelude to calamity:with a background survey of the Weimar era, p. 290, 363, Doubleday 1968: The Nazis sought "to eradicate Christianity in Germany root and branch."
Bendersky, Joseph W., A concise history of Nazi Germany, p. 147, Rowman & Littlefield, 2007: “Consequently, it was Hitler’s long range goal to eliminate the churches once he had consolidated control over his European empire.”
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9. Richard Overy; The Third Reich, A Chronicle; Quercus; 2010; p.99
10. a b Alan Bullock; Hitler and Stalin: Parallel Lives; Fontana Press; 1993; pp.413
Jump up ^ Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942
11. Hitler, Adolf (1999). Mein Kampf. Ralph Mannheim, ed., New York: Mariner Books, pp. 65, 119, 152, 161, 214, 375, 383, 403, 436, 562, 565, 622, 632-633.
12. Richard J. Evans; The Third Reich at War; Penguin Press; New York 2009, p. 547: Evans writes "Science, [Hitler] declared, would easily destroy the last remaining vestiges of superstition [-] 'In the long run', he concluded, 'National Socialism and 14. Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, Cameron & Stevens, Enigma Books p.59-61: Hitler is quoted as saying: "The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science. Religion will have to make more and more concessions. Gradually the myths crumble. All that's left is to prove that in nature there is no frontier between the organic and the inorganic. When understanding of the universe has become widespread, when the majority of men know that the stars are not sources of light but worlds, perhaps inhabited worlds like ours, then the Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity."
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 9:20 pm
Posted by Blue Velvet
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:32 pm to
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your anti-religious biases to cloud your judgment
1. I'm not anti-religious.
2. The hypocrisy and lunacy it must've taken to write that without realizing that you're dedication to defend Christianity is clouding your judgement. You can't just condemn Hitler, you have to lie. Laughable.

Myths you've spouted:
1. Hitler wasn't a Christian
2. Hitler got his ideas of Aryan superiority and Jewish hatred from Darwinian evolution
3. Hitler pretended his Christianity only for political purposes
Next you'll be saying he was a follower of Friedrich Nietzsche's philosophy.

"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." Nope. Not a Christian.

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited. Nope. Not a Christian.

Just as the Jew could once incite the mob of Jerusalem against Christ, so today he must succeed in inciting folk who have been duped into madness to attack those who, God's truth! seek to deal with this people in utter honesty and sincerity. Nope. Not a Christian.

In the Bible we find the text, 'That which is neither hot nor cold will I spew out of my mouth.' This utterance of the great Nazarene has kept its profound validity until the present day. Nope. Not a Christian.

In the life of nations, what in the last resort decides questions is a kind of Judgment Court of God.... Always before god and the world the stronger has the right to carry through what he wills. Nope. Not a Christian.

People ask: is there someone fit to be our leader? Our task is not to search for that person. Either God will give him to us or he will not come. Our task is to shape the sword that he will need when he comes. Our task it to provide the leader with a nation which is ready for him when he comes! My fellow Germans, awaken! The new day is dawning! Nope. Not a Christian.

It will at any rate be my supreme task to see to it that in the newly awakened NSDAP, the adherents of both Confessions can live peacefully together side by side in order that they may take their stand in the common fight against the power which is the mortal foe of any true Christianity. Nope. Not a Christian.

We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls.... We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people. Nope. Not a Christian.

We are determined, as leaders of the nation, to fulfill as a national government the task which has been given to us, swearing fidelity only to God, our conscience, and our Volk.... This the national government will regard its first and foremost duty to restore the unity of spirit and purpose of our Volk. It will preserve and defend the foundations upon which the power of our nation rests. It will take Christianity, as the basis of our collective morality, and the family as the nucleus of our Volk and state, under its firm protection....May God Almighty take our work into his grace, give true form to our will, bless our insight, and endow us with the trust of our Volk. Nope. Not a Christian.

Except the Lord built the house they labour in vain.... The truth of that text was proved if one looks at the house of which the foundations were laid in 1918 and which since then has been in building.... The world will not help, the people must help itself. Its own strength is the source of life. That strength the Almighty has given us to use; that in it and through it we may wage the battle of our life.... The others in the past years have not had the blessing of the Almighty-- of Him Who in the last resort, whatever man may do, holds in His hands the final decision. Lord God, let us never hesitate or play the coward, let us never forget the duty which we have taken upon us.... We are all proud that through God's powerful aid we have become once more true Germans. Nope. Not a Christian.

Just as the Jew could once incite the mob of Jerusalem against Christ, so today he must succeed in inciting folk who have been duped into madness to attack those who, God's truth! seek to deal with this people in utter honesty and sincerity. Nope. Not a Christian.

The Catholic Church considered the Jews pestilent for fifteen hundred years, put them in ghettos, etc, because it recognized the Jews for what they were".... I recognize the representatives of this race as pestilent for the state and for the church and perhaps I am thereby doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and public functions. Nope. Not a Christian.

The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie. Nope. Not a Christian.

We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.

Imbued with the desire to secure for the German people the great religious, moral, and cultural values rooted in the two Christian Confessions, we have abolished the political organizations but strengthened the religious institutions. Nope. Not a Christian.

What we are we have become not against, but with, the will of Providence. And so long as we are true and honourable and of good courage in fight, so long as we believe in our great work and do not capitulate, we shall continue to enjoy in the future the blessing of Providence. Nope. Not a Christian.

Only so you can appeal to your God and pray Him to support and bless your courage, your work, your perseverance, your strength, your resolution, and with all these your claim on life.

There are hundreds more like this. Hitler says he was a Christian, his followers were Christians, and the church says he was a Christian, but genro says he's not a Christian so he isn't a Christian? el oh el
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 9:34 pm
Posted by Blue Velvet
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:33 pm to
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Or go to your local bookstore and pick up a definitve biography of Hitler. And read it. That's all you have to do.
Odd that you claim to have read something about the man but either know nothing of his works or believe everything he's ever said was a conspiracy.
Posted by genro
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:36 pm to
Just one more thing to consider. Before you actually search for knowledge. Occam's razor.

Do you accept that Hitler believed in a master race and inferior races?

Do you accept that there was indeed a Western trend (all throughout Europe and America) beginning in the late 1800s of popular, academic, and state-sponsored racism based on poorly understood evolutionary pseudoscience?

Which makes more sense? That Hitler believed in Adam and Eve and Jesus's message and the Trinity? Or that Hitler believed in some bastardized misunderstanding of evolution?
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 9:38 pm
Posted by genro
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:37 pm to
You didn't address my post at all where I disproved everything. Just spouted more Mein Kampf. Nice.
Posted by genro
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:40 pm to
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but genro says he's not a Christian so he isn't a Christian? el oh el
I literally have thousands of sources and you have one. That is the situation right now. You really should stop.
Posted by Blue Velvet
Apple butter toast is nice
Member since Nov 2009
20112 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:42 pm to
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You didn't address my post at all where I disproved everything
I'm not going to address you going batshit and claiming everything Hitler every said was a vast conspiracy. You disproved nothing. You only proved that you have a political agenda in denying Hitler's christianity despite evidence from his life, words, supporters, and church that are to the contrary.
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Just spouted more Mein Kampf. Nice.
There are hundreds of pro-Christianity rants from Hitler well after Mein Kampf. You refuse to acknowledge them because they do not fit your radical agenda. Simple. They're there. You just won't see them.
Posted by Blue Velvet
Apple butter toast is nice
Member since Nov 2009
20112 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:44 pm to
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I literally have thousands of sources and you have one.
That hitler wasn't a Christian? Show me 1,001 and of them.
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That is the situation right now.
Hitler saying he was a Christian from birth to death and being supported by Christians and the church he supported. Yep, sounds like one source.
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You really should stop.
I think I will. Waste of time. Everyone knows Hitler was a Christian; luckily he was glad to tell everyone so we have mountains of proof.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
28125 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:45 pm to
[quote]British and French domination[/quote

Huh?You mean for all of about 20 years?

Wow I guess they really must have hated the Turks because they dominated the region for 400 years,,,correct?

Mufti HATED Jews, Hitler HATED Jews,That's all you need to know
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
62288 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:46 pm to
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I'm not going to address you going batshit and claiming everything Hitler every said was a vast conspiracy.
No. I take into everything he said. You take into account a book he wrote in prison a decade before rising to power. You would've been one of his sheep.
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There are hundreds of pro-Christianity rants from Hitler well after Mein Kampf. You refuse to acknowledge them because they do not fit your radical agenda. Simple. They're there.
They fall off quite sharply actually. Again, I acknowledge everything.

Please disprove the consensus of historians

Please disprove Goebbels and several others who knew him


Clearly you are the conspiracy theorist
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
62288 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:47 pm to
Why did all the people who knew him lie?
Posted by Blue Velvet
Apple butter toast is nice
Member since Nov 2009
20112 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:49 pm to
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You take into account a book he wrote in prison a decade before rising to power.
Hundreds of quotes from him after that book. Again, your reading comprehension has failed you. In fact, many of the quotes above are from a decade or more after the book was published. Ouch
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You would've been one of his sheep.
Ironic coming from a Christian fascist.
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Goebbels
Proud Christian who acknowledged Hitler was a Christian.
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Clearly you are the conspiracy theorist
Says the guy who thinks Hitler wasn't a Christian, though Hitler claimed to be a Christian for 40+ years. Totally, brah.
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