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Idea I've had for what to do about the Confederate Monument situation
Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:38 am
Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:38 am
Okay it's no secret that "they" want to destroy them.
But I was thinking...
It's a sad little age in a lot of ways. Most of the things like statues, monuments that sort of thing were made in earlier eras. Now no one can even do something like the Lions in front of the NY public library.
Just stupid looking things made out of black iron.
So they are getting rid of Confederate Monuments and Memorials.
Let's start a kickstarter and make more.
How much does it cost to finance a sculpture. Anyone know?
Got to be easier to make one than in the past, with the power tools available. I'm sure you have to haul out the hammer and chisel for the fine stuff, but roughing something out from a big block has to be a lot faster these days.
Really like to see a movement to take physical ownership of things like the statues removed from Jackson Square, if the SJW's haven't already gone all Taliban on them. Collect money for purchase, finance lawsuits, that sort of thing.
But I was thinking...
It's a sad little age in a lot of ways. Most of the things like statues, monuments that sort of thing were made in earlier eras. Now no one can even do something like the Lions in front of the NY public library.
Just stupid looking things made out of black iron.
So they are getting rid of Confederate Monuments and Memorials.
Let's start a kickstarter and make more.
How much does it cost to finance a sculpture. Anyone know?
Got to be easier to make one than in the past, with the power tools available. I'm sure you have to haul out the hammer and chisel for the fine stuff, but roughing something out from a big block has to be a lot faster these days.
Really like to see a movement to take physical ownership of things like the statues removed from Jackson Square, if the SJW's haven't already gone all Taliban on them. Collect money for purchase, finance lawsuits, that sort of thing.
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:36 am to Sunbeam
millions of dollars and good luck with getting the permits.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:22 am to Sunbeam
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Just stupid looking things made out of black iron.
So why does it bother you rather they are there or not?
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:41 am to TiketheMiger
Tell me.
If you visited the library and found some screwy looking thing that was basically a triangular plate with a couple circular holes cut in it, with some beams thrown in here and there, would you find any significance to it?
Or if you saw a sculpture of an old lady sitting on a bench, reasding a book. Does that say anything to you?
And which is likely to mean anything to an observer a century from now?
If you visited the library and found some screwy looking thing that was basically a triangular plate with a couple circular holes cut in it, with some beams thrown in here and there, would you find any significance to it?
Or if you saw a sculpture of an old lady sitting on a bench, reasding a book. Does that say anything to you?
And which is likely to mean anything to an observer a century from now?
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:47 am to Sunbeam
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Now no one can even do something like the Lions in front of the NY public library.
I understand the inherent risk of having lions there. SAE pledges would likely start dry humping them out of habit.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:54 am to Sunbeam
There is common ground. Have cities donate them to civil war museums. They'd no longer be in public display, and people interested in Civil War history can still see them. I get the reasoning on both sides, there has to be a resolution to appease both sides. Heck, I'm sure museums would help offset costs to house them through donation.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:56 am to Sunbeam
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Most of the things like statues, monuments that sort of thing were made in earlier eras.
When were a large amount of the Confederate monuments put up?
Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:05 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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When were a large amount of the Confederate monuments put up?
If you have an angle on this, I'd like to hear it.
I'm pretty sure a lot of state houses started flying Confederate Flags when desegregation started. Are you saying it is similar to this?
My point was that modern people seem to be less likely than people of earlier eras to erect things for visual consumption in public spaces.
And when modern society actually does put up something like that, their efforts are... lacking.
If you want I could cruise around Columbia and snap some shots of different things put up in the past 50 years or so. Then ask you to explain them to me.
As for your question, I imagine most of the Confederate Monuments predate the 50's. Some were put up in the decades immediately past the war, particularly in the North. More in the South as some semblance of prosperity returned.
I imagine most of the Southern ones are probably 1890 to 1930 or so? Just a guess on my part.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:08 pm to Sunbeam
We could all put up monuments on our property and when protesters came we could practice castle doctrine
Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:13 pm to Sunbeam
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Confederate Monument situation
There is no more situation. Didn't you get the memo? We have now moved on to the kneelers.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:13 pm to Sunbeam
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If you have an angle on this, I'd like to hear it.
My "angle" is my question:
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When were a large amount of the Confederate monuments put up?
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As for your question, I imagine most of the Confederate Monuments predate the 50's. Some were put up in the decades immediately past the war, particularly in the North. More in the South as some semblance of prosperity returned.
There are two primary time periods in our history during which these monuments were introduced. Any guess as to when each were?
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:19 pm to Sunbeam
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If you visited the library and found some screwy looking thing that was basically a triangular plate with a couple circular holes cut in it, with some beams thrown in here and there, would you find any significance to it? Or if you saw a sculpture of an old lady sitting on a bench, reasding a book. Does that say anything to you? And which is likely to mean anything to an observer a century from now?
Did you seriously compare these things to confederate statues
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:47 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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There are two primary time periods in our history during which these monuments were introduced. Any guess as to when each were?
I've already given you my guess.
Now what do you have to say?
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:52 pm to olddawg26
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Did you seriously compare these things to confederate statues
Not directly, no.
My point was that monuments, statues, that sort of thing were done more in the past than now.
And the second point was, that if they are done at all now, like in an area in front of a library it is most often some kind of nonsensical thing devoid of meaning.
Heck it's not even Picasso. More like someone threw some old junk together, gave someone a bill, and called it a day.
By comparison if a library in the 1930's had one put in front of it, you would see something like an old lady sitting on a bench, waiting for a bus, and reading a book.
Or Venus On the Half Shell. They were kinda wacky back in the day.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 4:17 pm to Sunbeam
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I've already given you my guess.
No you haven't. You gave one broad time period. There were two large peaks that align to two significant periods in our history.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 4:33 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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No you haven't. You gave one broad time period. There were two large peaks that align to two significant periods in our history.
Well ok then.
I do not care enough to jump through your hoops, or to do a search for "monument building america civil war."
You win or something. No one seems interested in this thread anyway, so let it die.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 4:34 pm to Sunbeam
It's post reconstruction and during the civil rights movement as you'd expect.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 4:42 pm to Duke
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It's post reconstruction
Most of them are this. Many Northern cities all also erected soldiers and sailors type monuments during the same time period. It was basically the era of building big public military monuments throughout the country. Personally, I think they all generally look(ed) pretty neat as a reflection of the particular era in which they were built.
But, of course, it's much more fun to try to paint it as something exclusively spooky and sinister in the South that suddenly must be now be "erased".
Posted on 10/11/17 at 4:46 pm to Sunbeam
How about this
Dont put up statues for anyone. Period.
They are a waste of time, resources, and space in the first place
I dont care if it is Hitler or Mother Teresa. Its stupid as frick.
Dont put up statues for anyone. Period.
They are a waste of time, resources, and space in the first place
I dont care if it is Hitler or Mother Teresa. Its stupid as frick.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 4:48 pm to Giant Leaf
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How about this
Dont put up statues for anyone. Period.
They are a waste of time, resources, and space in the first place
I dont care if it is Hitler or Mother Teresa. Its stupid as frick.
Yeah, I'm pretty much resigned to the idea that sterilized nothingness will be the world of my children and grandchildren.
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