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re: I support Trumps proposed cuts to Social Security!

Posted on 3/15/24 at 1:07 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135438 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 1:07 pm to
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stated the money (15.3%) taken from our income over +45 years is compounded at 5%......
Now now. Let's not be 'greedy.' Last I looked, SS ROI was well below 5%.
Posted by Ray Ray Rodman
Florida
Member since Mar 2005
17654 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 1:16 pm to
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No better way to lose an election than talking about cutting social security. Might not be right, but it’s reality.


Exactly... Very dumb. I know of a few lifelong Reps that said thats a no go forever for them. No matter the Party. They paid in for over 60 yrs. Any candidate that even mentions cutting Soc Sec will never get thier vote.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62528 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 1:26 pm to
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You are not self employed so you didn't pay 15.3% in to the system. Your simple math still needs some work.
As an employer… I can tell you the employee absolutely pays all of it. They may not know it. But they pay it.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
127799 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 1:31 pm to
Trump didn't support this just a couple of months ago. Now he does! Magic!

Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 2:48 pm to
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I know of a few lifelong Reps that said thats a no go forever for them. No matter the Party. They paid in for over 60 yrs. Any candidate that even mentions cutting Soc Sec will never get thier vote.


bullshite. Trump proposed cuts in Social Security every year of his administration, and those people you mentioned will all vote for him again.

Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53649 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 4:27 pm to
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quote:15.3 % You are not self employed so you didn't pay 15.3% in to the system. Your simple math still needs some work.


15.3% is what the employers and employees pay collectively into SS and Medicare....I know because I'm 50% owner of a Sub S company.

If the stock market has a 9-10% return historically including dividends one should expect 5-6% return with a conservative portfolio...

My point stands, if the government wants to get out of socialized retirement and medical care just give me a lump some of $1.5-2 million and we're square.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53649 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 4:36 pm to
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quote: stated the money (15.3%) taken from our income over +45 years is compounded at 5%......Now now. Let's not be 'greedy.' Last I looked, SS ROI was well below 5%.


Y'all are purposefully missing the point.

If the money that was taken from an individual by the government through payroll taxes for SS and Medicare was put into an account that was conservatively invested in a mix of bonds, treasuries and equities it would have easily earned 5-6% anually over the past 50 years. This account could have been structured for no withdrawals until age 62 and every responsible American would be way ahead of the current SS and Medicare shite show...I'm sure you understand.
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