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I still don’t get the “No standing” ruling
Posted on 6/30/22 at 10:47 am
Posted on 6/30/22 at 10:47 am
States intentionally broke their own election laws and unilaterally worked around their state legislatures to illegally change their election laws at the last minute. Completely shitting on the U.S. Constitution and swinging the election to Joe Biden.
I can’t let this go and I still don’t understand why they were given a pass to trample all over the voting rights of millions of Americans.
I can’t let this go and I still don’t understand why they were given a pass to trample all over the voting rights of millions of Americans.
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Posted on 6/30/22 at 10:50 am to TulaneFan
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I still don’t get the “No standing” ruling
You in Louisiana have no standing to file a lawsuit against another state for them not enforcing their own election law.
Elections are governed by the states. Louisiana has no standing for election issues in Pennsylvania or Texas. States (within reason) makes their own rules. If they violated their own laws, it's up to their citizens or the candidates to file lawsuits against their own election authorities.
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 10:52 am
Posted on 6/30/22 at 10:50 am to TulaneFan
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I still don’t get the “No standing” ruling
Can of worms. They did not want to open it.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 10:52 am to goofball
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You in Louisiana have no standing to file a lawsuit against another state for them not enforcing their own election law. Elections are governed by the states.
So if other states want to cheat a federal election I can pretty much just get fricked?
Posted on 6/30/22 at 10:54 am to TulaneFan
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So if other states want to cheat a federal election I can pretty much just get fricked?
Assuming they violated their own state laws (which PA very much did), the citizens of that state have standing to hold their government accountable. But you in another state do not. Doesn't matter if it's a federal election, as PA has their own election laws - which BTW require some level of ID and signature verification that didn't happen in 2020.
Ultimately they sent delegates to vote for Biden. How they decided to vote is apparently their problem, not ours.
At least that's the ruling as I understand it.
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 10:57 am
Posted on 6/30/22 at 10:54 am to goofball
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You in Louisiana have no standing to file a lawsuit against another state for them not enforcing their own election law.
Elections are governed by the states. Louisiana has no standing for election issues in Pennsylvania or Texas. States (within reason) makes their own rules. If they violated their own laws, it's up to their citizens or the candidates to file lawsuits against their own election authorities.
This is correct.
Despite the morons thumbing you down.
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 10:55 am
Posted on 6/30/22 at 10:57 am to goofball
If it's in federal court how does this pertain.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 10:58 am to Bearcat90
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Elections are governed by the states
do we not have federal guidelines to follow?
Posted on 6/30/22 at 11:04 am to TulaneFan
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States intentionally broke their own election laws and unilaterally worked around their state legislatures to illegally change their election laws at the last minute.
That's their legal quagmire to sort through. Technically citizens in the US don't directly elect the president directly. Each state sends delegates to elect the president, and they cast their vote based on the intent of the citizens of their state - each of which must act within the boundaries of said state law. That state may or may not require things like voter ID.
Some states very clearly violated their own state laws under the guise of mail in voting/pandemic safety. So their delegates may not have acted on the intent of the voters. Citizens in those states have legal standing to challenge the election practices and hold people accountable for violating state laws.
But I, as an Illinois citizen, have no standing to force other states to properly execute their own election laws within their own boundaries.
I don't think dismissal of the Texas suit was a bad decision. Even though everyone in the country is getting fricked under the Biden presidency...that's was not the appropriate channel to remedy this.
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 11:08 am
Posted on 6/30/22 at 11:04 am to goofball
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You in Louisiana have no standing to file a lawsuit against another state for them not enforcing their own election law.
I get what you're saying, so in good faith, I'll respond. Had Joe Blow Citizen from LA sued, I'd agree with you. But this was filed on behalf of the state of Texas. In that case, the states are entered into a marriage contract, in essence. Pennsylvania's refusal to enforce their own laws absolutely does impact Texas, because they are forced to share an executive branch. The Supreme Court is the only area where two states are allowed to air grievances. The Court was wrong to dismiss the case.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 11:05 am to TulaneFan
was this why it was so critical for them to steal GA so they can take the senate? Wouldnt a R senate have said "standing"?
Posted on 6/30/22 at 11:08 am to themunch
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do we not have federal guidelines to follow?
No, just Constitutional in this case.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 11:10 am to RoyalAir
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I get what you're saying, so in good faith, I'll respond. Had Joe Blow Citizen from LA sued, I'd agree with you. But this was filed on behalf of the state of Texas. In that case, the states are entered into a marriage contract, in essence. Pennsylvania's refusal to enforce their own laws absolutely does impact Texas, because they are forced to share an executive branch. The Supreme Court is the only area where two states are allowed to air grievances. The Court was wrong to dismiss the case.
That's a valid opinion.
But that's a two way street, right?. Let's say Washington or California decides that voter ID's are evil....should they have standing to sue states with voter ID laws?
Granted I'm not a lawyer.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 11:11 am to TulaneFan
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still don’t understand why
The courts are not the final arbiter in federal elections of congress,senate and the president, CONGRESS IS.
For a court to take up a case AFTER congress declares a winner would be a usurpation of power hence no standing.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 11:15 am to TulaneFan
You're an Insurrectionist. Off to the gulag with you.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 11:49 am to goofball
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You in Louisiana have no standing to file a lawsuit against another state for them not enforcing their own election law.
It’s not their own election law they didn’t enforce. It’s the constitution that says the state legislatures set the parameters for elections in states, not governors or judges. And that applies to all states. So every state that altered their election laws outside of the state legislature, including Texas, violated the constitution. When are violations of the constitution not grounds for standing?
For the majority of good they’ve done with upholding the constitution the last 2 weeks, the court failed here and demonstrated very cowardly behavior in the process.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 11:51 am to TulaneFan
quote:Would hearing the same explanation for the 50th time really help?
I still don’t get the “No standing” ruling
Posted on 6/30/22 at 11:52 am to goofball
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Elections are governed by the states.
Indeed
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Louisiana
Is a state and had their electors, in essence, nullified by illegalities in Pennsylvania, etc...election laws.
Let's say a student scores an A taking a test and did their work honestly and came up with their own answers properly, however another student got a copy of the test beforehand, shared it with a few more students in the class, cheated, and they turned their tests in. Then in turn the teacher had to evaluate a proper way to handle the situation.
Should the student who took the test honestly not have standing to argue their case or should the teacher just say the honest student has no standing and punish the whole class as cheaters and make them take a new test again of just flunk the whole class? Is that the right way for the teacher to handle things? I don't think so. At a minimum the students who did not cheat should be given a platform to state their case.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 11:54 am to Bearcat90
dp
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 6/30/22 at 11:54 am to Bearcat90
quote:Indeed.
You in Louisiana have no standing to file a lawsuit against another state for them not enforcing their own election law. Elections are governed by the states.quote:
This is correct. Despite the morons thumbing you down.
I estimate that about 75% of downvotes in discussions of legal issues are basically saying "I don't understand the issue at all, but I don't like what you are saying."
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 11:58 am
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