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Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:59 pm to themunch
quote:is it relevant whether or not he stole the gun?
Zarate had no motive and no recorded history of violence
Posted on 12/6/17 at 5:00 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
Your only problem is that you're trying to bring sound objective thinking to a situation that this board has made up its mind on. It's nothing you can say to persuade them to change their mind.
Nice try though
Nice try though
Posted on 12/6/17 at 5:00 pm to Aristo
quote:prosecutor couldn't find one firearms expert to testify about what anyone who has shot a gun before knows. you do it wrong and you'll miss, badly.
Being a bad shot is a good defense?
Posted on 12/6/17 at 5:02 pm to FT
quote:
I saw what I wanted to see
FIFH
Posted on 12/6/17 at 5:02 pm to EA6B
quote:
"A San Francisco man accidentally fired his gun as he was cleaning it Wednesday night, shooting his downstairs neighbor in the leg, officials said.
The 24-year-old weapon owner was not arrested — but he was issued a citation for unlawfully discharging a firearm, said Officer Giselle Talkoff, a police spokeswoman."
Did he get killed by the shot?
quote:
No charges will be filed against a Sarpy County man who authorities say accidentally shot his wife to death Oct. 5.
Afton Teague, 68, was struck in the head by a .22 caliber bullet fired from a handgun handled by Dennis Teague, 72, her husband of almost 49 years, authorities said.
Did the husband try to hide the weapon by dumping it in a lake?
Posted on 12/6/17 at 5:02 pm to DaTruth225
quote:my mind is made up that his felony record is extremely relevant to the case. My mind is made up that, at best, he lucked out and got the worst prosecutor since chris darden and at worst, the prosecution took a dive
at this board has made up its mind on.
my mind is made up that triggers don't pull themselves, that 7 time felons see a gun lying on a bench and say "shite, let me put my hands all over that" unless they have criminal intent of some kind.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 5:03 pm to FT
This alternate juror and the rest of the jury can all go frick themselves.
Most expected the radically left/pro-illegal immigration system in San Francisco to blow the murder charge, but innocent of involuntary manslaughter as well? frick every one of them.
Most expected the radically left/pro-illegal immigration system in San Francisco to blow the murder charge, but innocent of involuntary manslaughter as well? frick every one of them.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 5:04 pm to Aristo
did he find a stolen gun on a park bench out in public and start cleaning it?
Posted on 12/6/17 at 5:05 pm to DelU249
quote:
did he find a stolen gun on a park bench out in public and start cleaning it?
I'm not buying he found a gun on a park bench.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 5:06 pm to MSMHater
This was an old prosecutor's trick. It's called over charging the defendant. It happens in politically charged cases all the time. Notice that all of the charges had some sort of malice of forethought meaning there was a direct or indirect motive for the murder.
I'm with the majority of this board in thinking that the guy should be serving some sort of time...significant time for the death of Kate Steinle. These charges by the DA were directed to them further up the political food chain.
I'm with the majority of this board in thinking that the guy should be serving some sort of time...significant time for the death of Kate Steinle. These charges by the DA were directed to them further up the political food chain.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 5:07 pm to Aristo
quote:all while acting like he's ignorant of every single law in this country.
Did the husband try to hide the weapon by dumping it in a lake?
shite, why would he not just leave the gun there and flee...i guess with all this adrenaline and confusion he had the good sense to try and protect his own arse, but didn't when he picked up the gun...or maybe it's because he stole the fricking gun, no that's insensitive of me, forgive me hillary
Posted on 12/6/17 at 5:07 pm to DelU249
quote:
he stole the gun
Huh. I missed that part of the trail. You care to link it for us?
I think the natural inclination of most people would be to pick up a weapon they saw laying on the ground of a crowded public venue. Hate for some kid to get it.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 5:08 pm to Aristo
quote:yeah, no one with an ounce of common sense would and it was never investigated. they just interviewed this guy and then proceeded to trial.
I'm not buying he found a gun on a park bench.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 5:12 pm to Aubie Spr96
quote:
I think the natural inclination of most people would be to pick up a weapon they saw laying on the ground of a crowded public venue
That’s what the 7 time felon was thinking and not about putting his prints on a gun that could be and probably is stolen and/or used to commit a crime
Posted on 12/6/17 at 5:13 pm to KiwiHead
Here’s a motive...he was waiting on the pier (he’s homeless) to rob someone using the gun he stole to buy drugs
Hard to make that case when you can’t mention his 7 felony convictions for drug related crimes that most definitely included theft
Hard to make that case when you can’t mention his 7 felony convictions for drug related crimes that most definitely included theft
Posted on 12/6/17 at 5:14 pm to DelU249
Or if it was truly an accident, why not stick around to help?
Posted on 12/6/17 at 5:15 pm to Aubie Spr96
Also most people in San Fran don’t have guns and aren’t familiar with them...wonder why
The most common reaction would be “I don’t want to touch it” let alone play around with it and go “der, what’s this do?”
The most common reaction would be “I don’t want to touch it” let alone play around with it and go “der, what’s this do?”
Posted on 12/6/17 at 5:15 pm to upgrayedd
Typical trial testimony BS. I was issued that same firearm by the government and carried it for years shooting thousands of rounds through it.
No Safety - That is true. It is a Double Action / Single Action design with a decocking lever. It doesn't need a safety and was never designed to have one just like millions upon millions of other firearms. Means nothing but sounds sexy to a jury. Oooohhh!!! NO SAFETY!!!
Light Trigger Mode - Another bending of the truth to impress a jury. The weapon has a single action trigger that is lighter than the double action pull but is in no way "light" compared to other firearms. To say the weapon has a "light trigger mode" is to imply that it can go off at the mere touch and that just isn't true.
Backup emergency weapon used by law enforcement - This pistol is issued as a Primary, Backup and Off Duty weapon depending on the agency. They just added "emergency" because it sounds sexy.
At the end of the day, they used "experts" to hoodwink a jury pulled from San Francisco all of whom have most likely never touched a firearm. The fact that the jury asked to see the pistol and was denied by the Judge is significant. It is very common for juries to be allowed to examine evidence and, given that they wanted to see the gun, it is apparent they had questions about the trigger pull I am shocked the Judge denied the request.
No Safety - That is true. It is a Double Action / Single Action design with a decocking lever. It doesn't need a safety and was never designed to have one just like millions upon millions of other firearms. Means nothing but sounds sexy to a jury. Oooohhh!!! NO SAFETY!!!
Light Trigger Mode - Another bending of the truth to impress a jury. The weapon has a single action trigger that is lighter than the double action pull but is in no way "light" compared to other firearms. To say the weapon has a "light trigger mode" is to imply that it can go off at the mere touch and that just isn't true.
Backup emergency weapon used by law enforcement - This pistol is issued as a Primary, Backup and Off Duty weapon depending on the agency. They just added "emergency" because it sounds sexy.
At the end of the day, they used "experts" to hoodwink a jury pulled from San Francisco all of whom have most likely never touched a firearm. The fact that the jury asked to see the pistol and was denied by the Judge is significant. It is very common for juries to be allowed to examine evidence and, given that they wanted to see the gun, it is apparent they had questions about the trigger pull I am shocked the Judge denied the request.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 5:19 pm to MSMHater
Ok, I'm satisfied with the jury explanation here.
They went completely down the letter of the law, point by point. The prosecution fricked up here.
You should not convict for a crime that the prosecution has not proven. It's that simple. I want the guy to spend the next 25 in prison, but that's not on the jury, it's on the prosecution for not making their case correctly.
They went completely down the letter of the law, point by point. The prosecution fricked up here.
You should not convict for a crime that the prosecution has not proven. It's that simple. I want the guy to spend the next 25 in prison, but that's not on the jury, it's on the prosecution for not making their case correctly.
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