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re: I Saw the Kate Steinle Murder Trial Up Close. The Jury Didn’t Botch It.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:34 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:34 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
yeah, but that doesn't make the verdict reasonable. why they reached the verdict, sure. the circumstances that dictated why they reached that verdict, total crock of shite.
verdict means truth, aw frick it I was going to make a black joke from my cousin vinny.
verdict means truth, aw frick it I was going to make a black joke from my cousin vinny.
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Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:34 pm to ElectricWizard0
I mean - wasn't he convicted of illegal possession?
The judge should have let the jury handle the pistol.
The DA shouldn't have thrown 3 different charges and been all over the place during the trial. If anything, the SJW DA sabotaged the trial with the shitty strategy.
The judge should have let the jury handle the pistol.
The DA shouldn't have thrown 3 different charges and been all over the place during the trial. If anything, the SJW DA sabotaged the trial with the shitty strategy.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:36 pm to sicboy
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Holy crap everyone here knows absolutely NOTHING about this. We are so adamant we know more about this case than the people who were in the courtroom.
Yeah. I really don't understand the whole concept of getting ...angry? belligerent? .....at learning that there is an explanation that contradicts your view.
I think it is the most amazing part of being human that we can believe something...have more facts presented...and we can learn that we were incorrect before.
I find that beautiful. I don't know why so many fight it.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:37 pm to idlewatcher
I walk to/on this pier almost every day during lunch. There are benches as you "approach" the pier, and swiveling chairs (kinda old school McDonald's like) on the pier itself.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:37 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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I was on the side of George Zimmerman even though a very dead Trayvon Martin existed.
These two cases are not even close to similar.
This illegal wasn't protecting himself and fired off a deadly round to an unsuspecting bystander and because he "didn't mean to" he walks.
Try that next time you get a minor traffic violation and I bet it won't stick.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:38 pm to sicboy
quote:because this is one of the fricked up things...we have more information than they do...the opposite should be true.
We are so adamant we know more about this case than the people who were in the courtroom.
I knew he was a 7 time felon...did the jury
I knew he was fresh out of the pokey...did the jury
mind blowing.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:39 pm to Aristo
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These two cases are not even close to similar.
HOLY frick...I stated that EXACTLY in the same post.
But, you decided to take a portion and, in stultifying form, attack that as if I somehow missed the nuance.
JEEBUS!!!
Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:41 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
Or was I solidifying that the cases are not similar.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:42 pm to Aristo
quote:of course they are. Zarate was having his head driven into the pavement by kate steinle
These two cases are not even close to similar.
the only thing that sits wrong with any verdict in the martin case is that we have no record of what happened between phone call and Zimmerman getting his arse beat...could be Trayvon was defending himself...I highly fricking doubt it, but it's plausible.
but having the shite beat out of him was evidence that favored him. he reasonably feared for his life.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:43 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
posts are piling up too fast to keep track of who is saying what.
serious question though. if it was you, in the exact same circumstances save for the immigration status...would you be in jail?
serious question though. if it was you, in the exact same circumstances save for the immigration status...would you be in jail?
Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:44 pm to ElectricWizard0
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What about manslaughter? What about him being a felon in possession of a firearm?
Reading is your friend. HE WAS found guilty of being a felon in possession of a firearm. And the prosecution botched the manslaughter charge by not using that crime as the precursor for manslaughter.
"The involuntary manslaughter charge that the jury was read included two key requirements: 1) A crime was committed in the act that caused death; 2) The defendant acted with "criminal negligence"—he did something that an ordinary person would have known was likely to lead to someone's death.
"The jury members were not free to select the crime for part (1)—they had to use the one chosen by the prosecution, and the prosecution chose that crime to be the "brandishing," or waving with menace, of a weapon. As a juror, I found this choice puzzling, because the prosecutor presented absolutely zero evidence of brandishing during the trial. I don’t think we even heard the word “brandishing” until it was read as part of the charge during the jury instructions at the trial's end. No witnesses ever saw the defendant holding a gun, much less brandishing it. Given that baffling choice by the prosecution, the manslaughter charge was a nonstarter for the jury. Had a different precursor crime been chosen—for instance, the unlawful possession of a firearm by a felon—the outcome might have been different."
And, in fact, the jury did find him guilty of unlawful possession of a firearm by a felon, so if the prosecution had selected that precursor crime, he probably would have been found guilty of manslaughter.
This post was edited on 12/6/17 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:45 pm to DelU249
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if it was you, in the exact same circumstances save for the immigration status...would you be in jail?
I do not think so.
1) I am not a felon, so THAT element is out of the consideration
2) IF they present the evidence the same way, and the jury is given the same instruction....I think the same result occurs.
ETA: Even if I was NOT the one that fired the shot, I would not resist arrest. I can beat the charge...but, I cannot beat the ride. So, no one needs to take a knee for me.
This post was edited on 12/6/17 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:48 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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1) I am not a felon, so THAT element is out of the consideration
I really wish you people would stop bringing this up. Was he being tried on those prior convictions? Aren't they sentencing factors, exclusively?
Did he testify? I could see his testimony making prior criminal convictions relevant to THIS offense. Otherwise, that's not how the law works, is it?
Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:53 pm to FT
You are right sir, but unfortunately, our Chief Twitter Twat and his Legion of Brown Shirts wanted that Mexican guilty and they can't stand the fact that only in America can a person be acquitted of a crime that he did not commit because he is a Mexican!!!
Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:54 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
quote:in this scenario you are...and the jury will sure as shite know about it.
1) I am not a felon, so THAT element is out of the consideration
quote:this is kind of an unbelievable aspect of the case to me. 7 felonies is a pattern, it's escalation, it's recidivism, and his immigration status is relevant because that's 7 felonies in this country, here.
and the jury is given the same instruction
just regardless of anything, it is just so obvious the prosecutor took a dive, and there was plenty of reasons for the city to be pulling for a "not guilty" verdict.
I just feel for the father and the brother. honestly, it's like every time I see fred goldman and his daughter. i just could never accept that and move on. i honestly think i'd kill him.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:56 pm to DelU249
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7 felonies is a pattern, it's escalation, it's recidivism, and his immigration status is relevant because that's 7 felonies in this country, here.
Those make for great sentencing factors...just not relevant facts to what happened to Kate. At all. I'm a lawyer, but I think the only way they could have brought forward his prior convictions is if he testified. "Don't listen to this guy...he's a 7 time felon."
This post was edited on 12/6/17 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:56 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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.but, I cannot beat the ride
you have to imagine that if this guy comes back, he's undocumented...he's a fricking dead man. can't go missing when you're not even here.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:57 pm to ocelot4ark
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Was he being tried on those prior convictions?
He was found to be a felon in possession of a firearm....so, THAT is why I brought it up. He likely would have had the manslaughter conviction if the prosecution CHOSE that as the precursor crime.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:58 pm to DelU249
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in this scenario you are...and the jury will sure as shite know about it.
you asked ME if I believed I would have been convicted.
So, now it is not ME in this hypothetical...it is a hypothetical BHP in a hypothetical scene?
my head hurts
Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:01 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Then what were his 7 felonies about?
I'm sure he's a good boy!
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