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re: "I refuse to be a slave to religion!"
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Sometimes we understand reality a bit differently from each other.
If reality is, in fact, objective; then, can reality change- based solely upon one’s own ascertainment of said reality?
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Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:09 pm to Flats
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So “right” in your opinion. Hitler was right in his opinion, as was Gandhi.
That’s right. Subjective morality is morality subject to opinion.
It’s probably your opinion that Hitler was a bad guy, as is mine. You judge him based on your subjective morality. Was Hitler any worse than Moses plaguing Egypt and killing their army? Was Hitler worse than Joshua and David committing genocide against Canaanites? Or Samson for murdering a bunch of Philistines for cheating on his riddle? Or YHWH our LORD killing and plaguing his own chosen people for using the golden calf in their worship of Him (I might add… they did this before they were given the commandments by Moses… how could they know YHWH didn’t want them to use idols anymore??? Seems awfully unfair).
Pope Pius XII sure didn’t seem to think Hitler was a bad guy. Why do you think Hitler was bad? Is it your opinion, or are you saying he broke God’s commandments? Remember, God loved Samson and David and Joshua for doing what Hitler did.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:35 pm to Squirrelmeister
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That’s right. Subjective morality is morality subject to opinion.
So why use objective language to describe it? You think we’re taking steps in a direction, not the right one, not the wrong one. Some people like the direction, some don’t, same as it ever was.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:11 pm to FooManChoo
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Your subjective moral standard is ultimately defeated with the words, "so what?"
Unless the person uttering the "so what?" will off themselves their continued existence and focus on prosperity and well being says everything that needs to be said.
Christians can cross their eyes and ask why is living better than death, or having arms better than not, but it's all cheap talk. Our species has built in strong biological imperatives that help us navigate the world around us.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I had no clue there was anything even named Gnostic. At first I thought you may have forgotten an A.
Been learning about some of the Gnostic stuff lately
Just did a quick search and this was on the Wikipedia and now I'm interested...
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These various groups emphasized personal spiritual knowledge (gnosis) above the orthodox teachings, traditions, and authority of religious institutions.
I'm going to have to dive deeper into this now.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 1:52 am to CPTDCKHD
quote:of course there is no direct evidence to the contrary. If such evidence existed, I would be an atheist, rather than agnostic.
At some point, though, you have to admit to yourself that there is also no concrete evidence to the contrary- and then evaluate which stance best improves the current conditions of life, and best supports the furtherance of the human race (this may not matter to the childless- but may be paramount to those who have children).
I do not judge the existence or non-existence of the supernatural, based upon what effect it might have on society or any individual. I make that judgment based upon the facts
Posted on 2/21/23 at 1:58 am to saint tiger225
By this, I mean a personal insult to you, but this is my problem with so many purported Believers. They are absolutely certain in their faith, yet they have no knowledge whatsoever of the gnostics, or the Arians, or the Carhars or 100 other variants of Christianity … both before the Nicene council and after. They know nothing about the history of their faith.
This post was edited on 2/21/23 at 1:59 am
Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:21 am to CPTDCKHD
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What is it , that you would like to believe
Heaven sounds nice, or at least my version of it.
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that you are prevented from believing; and why?
I'm not a toddler.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:37 am to AggieHank86
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my problem with so many purported Believers. They are absolutely certain in their faith, yet ....know nothing about the history of their faith.
Fair enough.
OT and NT "History" are amazing. Especially given they explain both the Beginning and End of this World; are connected and overlapping; and provide cover-to-cover Book-End Prophecy (all of which make Bible Study so great.)
Knowing OT / NT is helpful...and nice... but not relevant at all in the context of gaining the gift of "Salvation".
ALL that really matters to be a Christian Believer is that one abide in DOCTRINE that's correct for Salvation. (Does one invite Jesus into their heart? Do they acknowledge & accept his Innocent Blood as a Free Gift?; A substitute for them, as Sinners?)
Accepting bad/heretic Christian doctrine is exactly what the current Great Apostasy, Falling-Away and deception of the Church is about.
These two chapter/verses of Scripture are essential understanding for all a true Believers who seek Eternal Salvation:
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(NKJV) John 3:16 : "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
(NKJV) John 14:6,7: (Jesus): "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
“If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”
Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:40 am to Liberator
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Liberator
Any response to my "make them infertile" instead of drowning them to solve the demonic DNA that had inflected all of humanity?
Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:59 am to AggieHank86
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... they have no knowledge whatsoever of the gnostics, or the Arians, or the Carhars or 100 other variants of Christianity … both before the Nicene council and after.
For Believers, THE One Truth carries far more weight and worth than "knowledge."
Gnostism, hybrid Pagan-Christian sects and occult knowledge can be a dangerous distraction, deception and spiritual trap. Is it interesting? Yes. Historically validated and confirmed to the degree the Bible is? NOT CLOSE.
Luciferianism, Mormonism and others "seeking enlightenment" rely on "divine" esoteric, hidden knowledge (as though God an Almighty would "hide" and secrete Salvation?)
Why would Christians -- whether in the 3rd Century or now -- want to be side-tracked and mired down by questionable, minor off-shoot heresies that deny of the Deity of Jesus Christ and reason for his Sacrifice? Or, chasing Gnostic-Pagan "hybrid" alternatives to The Gospel's Salvation?
Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:59 am to FooManChoo
Jesus removed the Yoke of despots off the backs of the common man.
He said, I came to liberate you from the Traditions of Religion.
Immediately, after "the Cross", man started adding those Traditions back onto the population.
He taught us how to live a peaceful and full life. Read what He said, not what someone says he said.
Send me your money and devotion, I will tell you what he meant, is reality in todays religion.
He said, I came to liberate you from the Traditions of Religion.
Immediately, after "the Cross", man started adding those Traditions back onto the population.
He taught us how to live a peaceful and full life. Read what He said, not what someone says he said.
Send me your money and devotion, I will tell you what he meant, is reality in todays religion.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:11 am to Azkiger
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Any response to my "make them infertile" instead of drowning them to solve the demonic DNA that had inflected all of humanity?
Yes.
The Evil and Corruption and Disobedience and during that time was off the chart.
You'd have to understand the dynamics.
Satan and the Fallen Angels (and their vulgar "creations") attempted to hijack God's sovereignty and Creation.
Genesis 6:11-13 describes the chaos and ugliness, though not in detail:
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11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
Some of the Apocrypha describes the nasty situation in far more detail.
Part of the Fallen Angels sin (besides rebellion from Heaven) was in DNA manipulation. They mated with human women; they created Giants and Chimeras -- hybrids of animal/animal, animal/human. They ate men. They ate themselves.
You then see exactly why God couldn't merely "make them infertile"; there were literally Monsters among that corrupted DNA. The earth was un-salvageable as it was.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:14 am to DisplacedBuckeye
What do you believe happens to your eternal soul once the physical shell of "you" expires?
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:23 am to AggieHank86
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I do not judge the existence or non-existence of the supernatural, based upon what effect it might have on society or any individual. I make that judgment based upon the facts
"Facts"??
Source(s)?
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:24 am to CPTDCKHD
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If reality is, in fact, objective; then, can reality change- based solely upon one’s own ascertainment of said reality?
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:24 am to AggieHank86
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They are absolutely certain in their faith,
And you're certain they're wrong.
Two peas in the same pod.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:26 am to Liberator
quote:More than 30 years of research and study.
"Facts"?? Source(s)?
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:That would be an atheist. I am agnostic, meaning that I am not SURE of anything supernatural, Roger..
They are absolutely certain in their faith,quote:
And you're certain they're wrong.
But the greater weight of evidence does weigh against it.
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