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re: I need some explanation of this transcript

Posted on 9/25/19 at 3:49 pm to
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 3:49 pm to
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So this is the transcript of Trump's very first phone call to Zelensky after he was elected and Trump mentioned Biden how many times?

And this transcript is of a phone call that was made only ONE week after Trump held up the $400 million aid to Ukraine that Congress had already approved.
According to reports, specifically from a NYT reporter, Vogel, the Ukrainians weren’t made aware that the aid was delayed at all.

They found out 1 month post-call.

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This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 3:54 pm
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 3:50 pm to
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According to reports, specifically from a NYT reporter, Vogel, the Ukrainians weren’t made aware that the aid was delayed at all.


But... I was told yesterday by someone on here who thinks he is really smart about these things that the money was delayed and that when Trump finally did release it, he gave them MORE than Congress authorized.
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 3:51 pm
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44345 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 3:51 pm to
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That doesn't sound like it adds up


What doesn't add up exactly?

I've already pointed out Crowdstrike is a US company, founded by US citizens, with zero ties to Ukraine or Russia.

Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
138151 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 3:53 pm to
It just seems weird that he would randomly mention it for no reason. You may be right, but it seems odd.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44345 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 3:56 pm to
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It just seems weird that he would randomly mention it for no reason.


It's not weird. It's who the DNC used to investigate their breach. Now the response (or lack thereof) after the CS investigation, that certainly is rather odd.

Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38521 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 4:01 pm to
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First, don't bite my head off.

I'm trying to get some clarification on legality of what Trump is saying/requesting.
The whistleblower reported it to the proper authority who thought it was credible enough to look into. I'm sort of with you: what does THAT mean exactly?
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76603 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 4:03 pm to
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The whistleblower reported it to the proper authority

Considering the reports that this whistleblower isn’t even part of the IC, that may be wrong from the start.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46225 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 4:22 pm to
The left was wrong about almost everything regarding this non-story. You don’t deserve the time of day from anyone on this site.

It’s not a surprise you are still here, still moving goalposts, and still trying to reframe everything.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
138151 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 4:30 pm to
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The left was wrong about almost everything regarding this non-story. You don’t deserve the time of day from anyone on this site.

It’s not a surprise you are still here, still moving goalposts, and still trying to reframe everything.

Their desperation has become a lifestyle
Posted by Cali 4 LSU
GEAUX TIGERS!
Member since Sep 2007
6670 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 5:51 pm to
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He mentions it in regard to the US, too. He sets it up by referencing the EU.


As he did during the entire campaign season...nothing new. Anyone who knows Trump, such as a supporter, knows that he hammered that nail BEFORE he was even elected. Every damn campaign rally. Every damn rally after that! Precedent set. Dems are reaching for straws, perpetually it seems.
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
52919 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 5:53 pm to
If the president believed/knew the Bidens were involved with corrupt dealings in Ukraine he could be criminally liable for NOT asking.
Posted by Ollieoxenfree99
Member since Aug 2018
7748 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 5:54 pm to
Why can't he ask that they investigate if it is within the jurisdiction of their country? Crowdstroke owner is in Ukraine, no?

Do countries not share intelligence? Or is that only 5 eyes when they are assisting a coup of a duly-elected POTUS?
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6534 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 6:01 pm to
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As with anything, this should be considered in context. Here's my context. Free free to express
yours.

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I believe Biden was asking for Shokin to be fired with the prior knowledge of the Obama administration, which would mitigate against it being a matter personal to Biden.



way to "believe" in something.

quote:

I could be wrong, but I don't think/believe Biden would have admitted this before a crowd of people if he believed he wasn't acting within his authority as V.P. on behalf of the U.S. government when he made the demand on Ukraine.



but certainly dont believe anything else if it challenges your side. You are basing "context" off of your personal feelings/beliefs which seems to sway in legitimacy based on which side is referred to.
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6534 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 6:08 pm to
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Dmitri Alperovitch, who was born in Moscow


quote:

There is literally zero ties to Ukraine or Russia.


I think you literally misunderstand the words "literally" and "zero ties". The dude lived in russia for nearly half his life. I am not saying he is nefarious by any means, but you lose credibility when you speak nonsense about 0 ties.
Posted by EthanL
Auburn,AL
Member since Oct 2011
6963 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 6:14 pm to
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What I didn't see, however, is Trump threatening to withhold aid if investigations are not conducted


I would like to take this part. And it is very true. The most damning part was not said.

Let’s just say that funds had already been delivered to Ukraine. In fact, let’s just say the funds had been released, and a week later this call was made, with the exact same language.

In my opinion, whether funds were held up or not, the Ukrainians would’ve perceived any request by the head of State to be an implicit threat based on aid.

QPQ doesn’t always have to be in words. Trump is a businessman and I’m sure he understands that very well.

I still don’t get the Crowdstrike thing. Just left field for me despite the commentary on it.

I really think this is Trump pushing the envelop in doing things that are not quite illegal, but pretty damn flagrant. To make matters worse, he has fired or removed any advisers that have a shred of shrewdness who would’ve stopped him from making such missteps.

Trump supporters are livid and rightly so. But look at it from the politicians side for a moment: this guy insults everyone, calls them names, exaggerates the truth. When called out he doubles down. We just got through with him weighing in on the weather forecast. The man is a narcissist poster boy. He argues with celebrities. His feelings get hurt and he calls people ‘nasty’.

Politicians on both sides are mad because they cannot fight back, or refuse to do so on his terms. So they are resolved to impeach someone who I think is completely...

harmless.

Let him finish his term, and let them start another experiment with a Democratic President that will be ten times worse.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44345 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 6:17 pm to
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The dude lived in russia for nearly half his life.


He's forty years old. He came here in his early teens. And he would have been here earlier if he wasnt held hostage by the USSR because his parents were working here.

But sure...it's some grand conspriracy by the Russians, hatched when it was still the USSR.

Do you realize how fricking stupid you sound?



Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138151 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 6:17 pm to
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I would like to take this part. And it is very true. The most damning part was not said. Let’s just say that funds had already been delivered to Ukraine. In fact, let’s just say the funds had been released, and a week later this call was made, with the exact same language. In my opinion, whether funds were held up or not, the Ukrainians would’ve perceived any request by the head of State to be an implicit threat based on aid. QPQ doesn’t always have to be in words. Trump is a businessman and I’m sure he understands that very well.

The Ukrainians didn't even know the funds were delayed until a month after the call. You're just trying to make chicken soup out of chicken shite at this point.

How many times are you going to let the Dems feed you fake stories before you realize they're doing this because they can't win on their platform?
Posted by Ollieoxenfree99
Member since Aug 2018
7748 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 6:18 pm to
Melt.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138151 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 6:20 pm to
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I really think this is Trump pushing the envelop in doing things that are not quite illegal, but pretty damn flagrant. To make matters worse, he has fired or removed any advisers that have a shred of shrewdness who would’ve stopped him from making such missteps.

This is every politician in the history of politics

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Trump supporters are livid and rightly so. But look at it from the politicians side for a moment: this guy insults everyone, calls them names, exaggerates the truth. When called out he doubles down. We just got through with him weighing in on the weather forecast. The man is a narcissist poster boy. He argues with celebrities. His feelings get hurt and he calls people ‘nasty’.

So what? I didn't vote for the guy to be my preacher. Besides, he only goes after people that go after him. He's a counter puncher and the first Republican in 30 years not to roll over and take it.

Posted by Cali 4 LSU
GEAUX TIGERS!
Member since Sep 2007
6670 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 6:30 pm to
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Trump Authoritarian Syndrome.


Maybe some people just have a simple case of "Trump is President" syndrome. A normal condition that everyone goes through during their lifetime...kinda like puberty. Some of have matured passed it, some are stuck in their terrible 2's throwing fits about POTUS Trump & have developed into full blown TDS.
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