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re: I have decided to vote Biden- Change My Mind

Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:21 pm to
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
51123 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:21 pm to
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I want everyone to have open affordable access to healthcare on all levels.

Which ultimately be sub-par healthcare. It’d be great if we could simply have high quality healthcare for free, but that’s not possible. I would rather make my own healthcare choices.
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I want a US tax plan that doesn't allow multi-millionaires to pay zero income tax due to the code that allows them to simply depreciate their assets on paper to avoid tax liability, while people who actually work for the money (90%+ of people) have no such tax shelters available to them.

What percentage do you want the people making over $400k to make? We hear all about how they need to pay their fair share, but it seems like no one says what that percentage is. I also hope you know that these wealthy people are still paying massive tax amounts.
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I want a minimum wage that a small humble family can actually live on, even if meagerly. It will incentivize people to get off public assistance and actually work for a living. Who would go to work for $8 an hr when the welfare benefits exceed that, to do nothing? Make the minimum wage actually work for people, and help eliminate welfare with a hand-up rather than a hand-out.

I don’t think you realize the costs of the $15/hr minimum wage that Joe Biden supports. The most obvious negative is that places that pay minimum wage will raise prices on their goods and services. Thus, the same people who are supposed to be able to live on 15/hr will end up paying more for things they need and the minimum wage increase is far less helpful than it initially sounded. Further, even places that pay above the current minimum wage will suffer because they will be forced to raise their wages to be above the new minimum wage. My Dad has a small business that lays tile in houses. He has employees who are called “helpers” who do various tasks for the main tile setters. They are paid pretty well above the current minimum wage. If the minimum wage is raised to $15/hr, he will end up having to pay them several more dollars an hour than he currently is in order to keep them above minimum wage, and he will end up having to pay more for the work than the work is actually worth.
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The SS budget must be balanced, and this will require a combination of means testing, some tax hikes, and some tax cuts.

Have you really convinced yourself that the Democrats will be able to keep a balanced budget for Social Security, especially with all of the other entitlement programs they will be starting and/or maintaining?
This post was edited on 10/29/20 at 2:24 pm
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:22 pm to
Frick you and the rest of the useful idiots.


Posted by Floating Change Up
Member since Dec 2013
12894 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:22 pm to
I count 9 points.

All nine points start with: “I want”.


The liberal mind, in a nutshell, ladies and gentlemen.
Posted by shallowminded
Member since Nov 2012
3124 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:24 pm to
Go ahead and take the G from next to your name off. You’re making us look bad!
Posted by Jyrdis
TD Premium Member Level III
Member since Aug 2015
13438 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:25 pm to
You actually don't want us to change your mind because that entails you expounding upon your views.
Posted by CincoTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jun 2006
670 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:26 pm to
And you really think that Biden will supply all of this for you? Have you even been paying attention?

Let's just look at your first point:
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I want everyone to have open affordable access to healthcare on all levels.


My daughter-in-law has a friend in Canada whose father was admitted to ER with Covid and put on a vent. She is a pulmonary critical care physician and has been treating virus patients since the beginning of the pandemic. She was amazed how much better the medical system is here vs Canada and how slowly they move to get treatment approved.

Is this what you want? Socialized medicine will only degrade the care that we can get.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
73510 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:26 pm to
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10/10 bro





I pressed enter.

I took a piss.

I came back to refresh and it was already 3 pages.


Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22628 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:28 pm to
quote:

I want everyone to have open affordable access to healthcare on all levels.

I want a long term comprehensive energy strategy aligned with global powers and partnership to accelerate the growth of alternative energy for not just pollution concerns, but for global economic reasons, long term. No longer should oil barons be driving global energy policy, like puppet masters with the world on a string.

I want a US tax plan that doesn't let companies like Amazon write off a bunch of jibber jabber and pay zero taxes, while all of their employees are paying between 15%-50% of their income in taxes. I want a US tax plan that doesn't allow multi-millionaires to pay zero income tax due to the code that allows them to simply depreciate their assets on paper to avoid tax liability, while people who actually work for the money (90%+ of people) have no such tax shelters available to them.

I want a national drug enforcement policy that helps people instead of locking them up. Decades of policy research shows this is more effective and cheaper to do, and obviously helps people more than it hurts them.

I want an immigration policy that allows children illegally brought to this country through no fault of their own to have a straight-forward non-political path to permanent citizenship. This is the only country they've ever known. Their friends, families, and careers are here. They are part of the fabric of our American family. Using them as a bargaining chip for politics is disgusting. Just naturalize them, and move on.

I want a minimum wage that a small humble family can actually live on, even if meagerly. It will incentivize people to get off public assistance and actually work for a living. Who would go to work for $8 an hr when the welfare benefits exceed that, to do nothing? Make the minimum wage actually work for people, and help eliminate welfare with a hand-up rather than a hand-out.


I want a safety net social security system that isn't just a safety net, but a trampoline, that allows people to bounce back in many cases. Social Security must be bolstered up and made whole again. The SS budget must be balanced, and this will require a combination of means testing, some tax hikes, and some tax cuts. You say wealth redistribution, I say tomato. It's an investment required for a stable and prosperous society.

I want bolstered workers rights that protect workers who are fired without cause (layoff, reduction in force) to be guaranteed a fair severance. If all companies were forced to do this, it wouldn't create any competitive disadvantages because they are all playing by the same rules. I want pension options in addition to stock-based 401k offerings that typically are only affordable for upper-middle income earners.

I want free community college and trade programs for all, regardless of age or background. sure it would cost billions, but it would be offset by the billions in gray money spent to deal with problems caused by an uneducated and untrained national domestic workforce.
"Therefore, I'm voting to turn over the country to people who will destroy it."
Posted by Dustydubs
Member since Mar 2020
490 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:28 pm to
Could have just skipped all of that useless copy pasta and went straight for the truth. “Orange man bad”.Being a lefty makes it hard to tell the truth I guess
Posted by Lynxrufus2012
Central Kentucky
Member since Mar 2020
18525 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:29 pm to
I want everyone to have open affordable access to healthcare on all levels.

The best solution to healthcare is employment. Sell insurance plans across state lines. People can't afford Obamacare. It has raised prices in some instances.

I want a long term comprehensive energy strategy aligned with global powers and partnership to accelerate the growth of alternative energy for not just pollution concerns, but for global economic reasons, long term. No longer should oil barons be driving global energy policy, like puppet masters with the world on a string.

If green energy can't compete it is subsidized. Government picks winners and losers through crony capitalism. New set of robber barons but with no competition. Competition has gasoline at $2/gallon. What do you say to people when electricity prices skyrocket. America can't compete on the global market. What do you say to people that lost their jobs while China still builds coal fired generation?


I want a US tax plan that doesn't let companies like Amazon write off a bunch of jibber jabber and pay zero taxes, while all of their employees are paying between 15%-50% of their income in taxes. I want a US tax plan that doesn't allow multi-millionaires to pay zero income tax due to the code that allows them to simply depreciate their assets on paper to avoid tax liability, while people who actually work for the money (90%+ of people) have no such tax shelters available to them.

The top 1% pay 38.5% of all taxes.
LINK

I want a national drug enforcement policy that helps people instead of locking them up. Decades of policy research shows this is more effective and cheaper to do, and obviously helps people more than it hurts them.

Then you should support Trump and guys like Rand Paul. Biden wrote the law that put people in jail simply for using. So did Harris prosecute said people. Look at what they have done, not what they have said.

I want an immigration policy that allows children illegally brought to this country through no fault of their own to have a straight-forward non-political path to permanent citizenship. This is the only country they've ever known. Their friends, families, and careers are here. They are part of the fabric of our American family. Using them as a bargaining chip for politics is disgusting. Just naturalize them, and move on.

No country in the world has more open borders than the US. Try sneaking into Russia and find out. Obama built the cages you see not Trump. Parents need to take responsibility and obey the law.

I want a minimum wage that a small humble family can actually live on, even if meagerly. It will incentivize people to get off public assistance and actually work for a living. Who would go to work for $8 an hr when the welfare benefits exceed that, to do nothing? Make the minimum wage actually work for people, and help eliminate welfare with a hand-up rather than a hand-out.
If you pay $15 to do a menial job companies reduce staffing. Look at touch screens at McDonalds. You have to be worth what you are paid. How about people staying in school or learning crafts and trades to earn that money and much more.

I want a safety net social security system that isn't just a safety net, but a trampoline, that allows people to bounce back in many cases. Social Security must be bolstered up and made whole again. The SS budget must be balanced, and this will require a combination of means testing, some tax hikes, and some tax cuts. You say wealth redistribution, I say tomato. It's an investment required for a stable and prosperous society.

Social Security was always meant to be a supplement, not a retirement plan. Economic education will do more to help people than SS reform. Teach people the time value of money. But if you want to know the Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 1965 Lyndon Johnson allowed robbing the SS System.

I want bolstered workers rights that protect workers who are fired without cause (layoff, reduction in force) to be guaranteed a fair severance. If all companies were forced to do this, it wouldn't create any competitive disadvantages because they are all playing by the same rules. I want pension options in addition to stock-based 401k offerings that typically are only affordable for upper-middle income earners.

That is why there is unemployment insurance that all companies pay into that was set up for such cases

I want free community college and trade programs for all, regardless of age or background. sure it would cost billions, but it would be offset by the billions in gray money spent to deal with problems caused by an uneducated and untrained national domestic workforce.

You can get free education in the trades. It is called apprenticeship. In fact you get paid while you learn. Or get a loan to go to community college, get a job and pay it off. It's called personal responsibility

I have more issues, but I've typed enough for now.


Why would I vote for a republican?
Because Republicans create a condition where business can thrive and jobs become available. Before Covid 19 we had record employment. With jobs come insurance, retirement plans, opportunity. Or vote for Biden and shut down the oil industry, lose jobs, send jobs to China, lose freedom of speech, open borders to criminals and destroy our way of life.
Posted by Bandit1980
God's Country
Member since Nov 2019
4456 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:30 pm to
Do you live in an aquarium? You know, the "SUCKER" that lives on the side of the tank?


Good luck in your misery monkey nuts, when your taxes are raised through the roof and you say what happened, go look in the mirror and call all of your Dem friends and have a big jackass party.


No wait, Boodan ain't gonna win. Sorry, loser.
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18891 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:30 pm to
quote:

I want everyone to have open affordable access to healthcare on all levels.


Everyone is in favor of this. The problem is no one seems to agree on how to implement it. One of the issues is the level of waste in the healthcare system. Much of which is created by our current health insurance structure.

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I want a long term comprehensive energy strategy aligned with global powers and partnership to accelerate the growth of alternative energy for not just pollution concerns, but for global economic reasons, long term. No longer should oil barons be driving global energy policy, like puppet masters with the world on a string.


I agree that free trade capitalism should take care of this. As technology improves, costs should go down. Also, nuclear energy is clean but there is way too much misinformation about perceived risk vs actual risk.

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I want a US tax plan that doesn't let companies like Amazon write off a bunch of jibber jabber and pay zero taxes, while all of their employees are paying between 15%-50% of their income in taxes. I want a US tax plan that doesn't allow multi-millionaires to pay zero income tax due to the code that allows them to simply depreciate their assets on paper to avoid tax liability, while people who actually work for the money (90%+ of people) have no such tax shelters available to them.


Corporate tax cuts are used as a means to keep jobs here. These companies still pay tons of taxes as well as those they employ. These large companies are massive economic drivers.

quote:

I want a national drug enforcement policy that helps people instead of locking them up. Decades of policy research shows this is more effective and cheaper to do, and obviously helps people more than it hurts them.


The courts are already pretty lenient with users, and already offer a great deal of pre-trial diversion plans. Large scale drug abuse is a symptom of socioeconomic issues.

quote:

I want an immigration policy that allows children illegally brought to this country through no fault of their own to have a straight-forward non-political path to permanent citizenship. This is the only country they've ever known. Their friends, families, and careers are here. They are part of the fabric of our American family. Using them as a bargaining chip for politics is disgusting. Just naturalize them, and move on.


Who built the cages?

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I want a minimum wage that a small humble family can actually live on, even if meagerly. It will incentivize people to get off public assistance and actually work for a living. Who would go to work for $8 an hr when the welfare benefits exceed that, to do nothing? Make the minimum wage actually work for people, and help eliminate welfare with a hand-up rather than a hand-out.


Minimum wage is a fallacy. Very few places actually pay this. Those that do, typically only pay that to teens. If your career only pays minimum wage, then you did not take advantage of free public education and were perhaps making poor choices along the way. Entry-level jobs are not a career. With that being said, I agree that a living wage is something that all able-bodied adults should be able to obtain in our country.

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I want a safety net social security system that isn't just a safety net, but a trampoline, that allows people to bounce back in many cases. Social Security must be bolstered up and made whole again. The SS budget must be balanced, and this will require a combination of means testing, some tax hikes, and some tax cuts. You say wealth redistribution, I say tomato. It's an investment required for a stable and prosperous society.


This is a bipartisan issue, and I don't think voting for Biden or Trump will magically fix this.

quote:

I want bolstered workers rights that protect workers who are fired without cause (layoff, reduction in force) to be guaranteed a fair severance. If all companies were forced to do this, it wouldn't create any competitive disadvantages because they are all playing by the same rules. I want pension options in addition to stock-based 401k offerings that typically are only affordable for upper-middle income earners.


So unions?

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I want free community college and trade programs for all, regardless of age or background. sure it would cost billions, but it would be offset by the billions in gray money spent to deal with problems caused by an uneducated and untrained national domestic workforce.


Far too many communities already don't take advantage of free public education. An educated population is vital to society and the economy. Yet, it starts at an early age. There are a multitude of scholarships and grant programs already out there for higher education. Let's get kids properly educated first.

Like Trump pointed out in the last debate. How long has Biden been in politics, and now he will suddenly fix all of these things? Most of the issues on your list are actually a problem on the local level. The fed doesn't need to fix this by creating more services. Instead, they need to help states and local governments fix unique problems in their communities.
Posted by Chrome
Chromeville
Member since Nov 2007
12747 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:30 pm to
There is no such thing as free. You or someone else will pay for it. Don't fall for the shiny.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
37833 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:30 pm to
quote:

want everyone to have open affordable access to healthcare on all levels.



Not the government’s job.
quote:

want a long term comprehensive energy strategy aligned with global powers and partnership to accelerate the growth of alternative energy for not just pollution concerns, but for global economic reasons, long term. No longer should oil barons be driving global energy policy, like puppet masters with the world on a string.

Not the governments job

quote:

I want a US tax plan that doesn't let companies like Amazon write off a bunch of jibber jabber and pay zero taxes, while all of their employees are paying between 15%-50% of their income in taxes. I want a US tax plan that doesn't allow multi-millionaires to pay zero income tax due to the code that allows them to simply depreciate their assets on paper to avoid tax liability, while people who actually work for the money (90%+ of people) have no such tax shelters available to them.

Want a fair tax? Every person 16+ has to pay the exact same amount.
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want a national drug enforcement policy that helps people instead of locking them up. Decades of policy research shows this is more effective and cheaper to do, and obviously helps people more than it hurts them.

Not the governments job
quote:

want an immigration policy that allows children illegally brought to this country through no fault of their own to have a straight-forward non-political path to permanent citizenship. This is the only country they've ever known. Their friends, families, and careers are here. They are part of the fabric of our American family. Using them as a bargaining chip for politics is disgusting. Just naturalize them, and move on.

No.
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I want a minimum wage that a small humble family can actually live on, even if meagerly. It will incentivize people to get off public assistance and actually work for a living. Who would go to work for $8 an hr when the welfare benefits exceed that, to do nothing? Make the minimum wage actually work for people, and help eliminate welfare with a hand-up rather than a hand-out.

Minimum wage is a farce and should be abolished entirely.

Also, not the governments job.
quote:

want a safety net social security system that isn't just a safety net, but a trampoline, that allows people to bounce back in many cases. Social Security must be bolstered up and made whole again. The SS budget must be balanced, and this will require a combination of means testing, some tax hikes, and some tax cuts. You say wealth redistribution, I say tomato. It's an investment required for a stable and prosperous society.

Again.

Not the governments job.

quote:

want bolstered workers rights that protect workers who are fired without cause (layoff, reduction in force) to be guaranteed a fair severance. If all companies were forced to do this, it wouldn't create any competitive disadvantages because they are all playing by the same rules. I want pension options in addition to stock-based 401k offerings that typically are only affordable for upper-middle income earners.


Not the governments job.

quote:

I want free community college and trade programs for all, regardless of age or background. sure it would cost billions, but it would be offset by the billions in gray money spent to deal with problems caused by an uneducated and untrained national domestic workforce.


Not the governments job.
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Why would I vote for a republican?

You wouldn’t. You would rather the government take care of YOUR responsibilities because YOU are a coward.
Posted by Brazos
Member since Oct 2013
20557 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:30 pm to
Do you also want rainbows and unicorns in your backyard everyday?
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87832 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:31 pm to
Everything you posted has convinced me that you’re a socialist. Therefore I won’t attempt to change your mind. Vote for the candidate whom most closely aligns with your views, which is Kamala. Because if Joe wins, they likely won’t wait for Jan. 20th to replace him.
This post was edited on 10/29/20 at 2:32 pm
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57051 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:31 pm to
quote:

Its just like the 'take away their healthcare' argument....WHAT HEALTHCARE!!!??? You mean the health insurance that you are requiring people to pay for that still isn't providing any benefit to 98% of people that have it because the deductibles are so outrageously high?


It's to the point now, that when someone wants "lower healthcare" that i write them off as another useful idiot. They aren't talking about care. What they want is free insurance. They don't want to pay for the government or another company, to subsidize their medical expenses. They yearn for slavery. They willfully ignore that any "free" industry they demand is off the backs others. You demand free labor to your benefit. Why? What makes you so special that you get to take advantage of people just trying to do their jobs?
Posted by lsuson
Metairie
Member since Oct 2013
15047 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:32 pm to
Stay left as a minority. The majority on the right don't want you
Posted by Tigerhalen
Member since May 2020
982 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:32 pm to
Your position on immigration is a terrible position (name another country that has an asinine immigration like ours), and so are most of your other positions. You’re a socialist, and you’re not changing your mind. Why did you post, anyway!
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
73510 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:32 pm to
quote:

I want everyone to have open affordable access to healthcare on all levels.

The best solution to healthcare is employment. Sell insurance plans across state lines. People can't afford Obamacare. It has raised prices in some instances.

I want a long term comprehensive energy strategy aligned with global powers and partnership to accelerate the growth of alternative energy for not just pollution concerns, but for global economic reasons, long term. No longer should oil barons be driving global energy policy, like puppet masters with the world on a string.

If green energy can't compete it is subsidized. Government picks winners and losers through crony capitalism. New set of robber barons but with no competition. Competition has gasoline at $2/gallon. What do you say to people when electricity prices skyrocket. America can't compete on the global market. What do you say to people that lost their jobs while China still builds coal fired generation?


I want a US tax plan that doesn't let companies like Amazon write off a bunch of jibber jabber and pay zero taxes, while all of their employees are paying between 15%-50% of their income in taxes. I want a US tax plan that doesn't allow multi-millionaires to pay zero income tax due to the code that allows them to simply depreciate their assets on paper to avoid tax liability, while people who actually work for the money (90%+ of people) have no such tax shelters available to them.

The top 1% pay 38.5% of all taxes.
LINK

I want a national drug enforcement policy that helps people instead of locking them up. Decades of policy research shows this is more effective and cheaper to do, and obviously helps people more than it hurts them.

Then you should support Trump and guys like Rand Paul. Biden wrote the law that put people in jail simply for using. So did Harris prosecute said people. Look at what they have done, not what they have said.

I want an immigration policy that allows children illegally brought to this country through no fault of their own to have a straight-forward non-political path to permanent citizenship. This is the only country they've ever known. Their friends, families, and careers are here. They are part of the fabric of our American family. Using them as a bargaining chip for politics is disgusting. Just naturalize them, and move on.

No country in the world has more open borders than the US. Try sneaking into Russia and find out. Obama built the cages you see not Trump. Parents need to take responsibility and obey the law.

I want a minimum wage that a small humble family can actually live on, even if meagerly. It will incentivize people to get off public assistance and actually work for a living. Who would go to work for $8 an hr when the welfare benefits exceed that, to do nothing? Make the minimum wage actually work for people, and help eliminate welfare with a hand-up rather than a hand-out.
If you pay $15 to do a menial job companies reduce staffing. Look at touch screens at McDonalds. You have to be worth what you are paid. How about people staying in school or learning crafts and trades to earn that money and much more.

I want a safety net social security system that isn't just a safety net, but a trampoline, that allows people to bounce back in many cases. Social Security must be bolstered up and made whole again. The SS budget must be balanced, and this will require a combination of means testing, some tax hikes, and some tax cuts. You say wealth redistribution, I say tomato. It's an investment required for a stable and prosperous society.

Social Security was always meant to be a supplement, not a retirement plan. Economic education will do more to help people than SS reform. Teach people the time value of money. But if you want to know the Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 1965 Lyndon Johnson allowed robbing the SS System.

I want bolstered workers rights that protect workers who are fired without cause (layoff, reduction in force) to be guaranteed a fair severance. If all companies were forced to do this, it wouldn't create any competitive disadvantages because they are all playing by the same rules. I want pension options in addition to stock-based 401k offerings that typically are only affordable for upper-middle income earners.

That is why there is unemployment insurance that all companies pay into that was set up for such cases

I want free community college and trade programs for all, regardless of age or background. sure it would cost billions, but it would be offset by the billions in gray money spent to deal with problems caused by an uneducated and untrained national domestic workforce.

You can get free education in the trades. It is called apprenticeship. In fact you get paid while you learn. Or get a loan to go to community college, get a job and pay it off. It's called personal responsibility

I have more issues, but I've typed enough for now.


Why would I vote for a republican?
Because Republicans create a condition where business can thrive and jobs become available. Before Covid 19 we had record employment. With jobs come insurance, retirement plans, opportunity. Or vote for Biden and shut down the oil industry, lose jobs, send jobs to China, lose freedom of speech, open borders to criminals and destroy our way of life.


I can't believe it took 7 pages for this to actually be posted.

Lynxrufus2012 wins the thread.
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