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re: I don’t understand the Acosta ruling
Posted on 11/24/18 at 6:55 pm to FalseProphet
Posted on 11/24/18 at 6:55 pm to FalseProphet
quote:
but when it does, it can’t arbitrarily revoke them.
What are you basing that claim on?
Posted on 11/24/18 at 6:57 pm to Strannix
Acosta refused to give a microphone, and the judge ruled that he get due process before his privilege of asking questions can be revoked.
So....
If I refused to give a breathalyzer, would the judge rule that I get due process before my privilege of driving can be revoked?
So....
If I refused to give a breathalyzer, would the judge rule that I get due process before my privilege of driving can be revoked?
Posted on 11/24/18 at 6:59 pm to Strannix
It was a good ruling. The WH pulled his pass without giving him a trial or investigation. Technically, all citizens are due process before the government takes action.
Don’t like the ruling but it’s correct.
Don’t like the ruling but it’s correct.
Posted on 11/24/18 at 7:02 pm to MintBerry Crunch
quote:
It was a good ruling. The WH pulled his pass without giving him a trial or investigation. Technically, all citizens are due process before the government takes action.
Don’t like the ruling but it’s correct.
Lol wut? All kinds of rights and freedoms can be revoked without any sort of trial or investigation? What was there to investigate, it was in plain view on camera
Posted on 11/24/18 at 7:17 pm to SlapahoeTribe
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If I refused to give a breathalyzer, would the judge rule that I get due process before my privilege of driving can be revoked?
You’re entitled to an administrative hearing to challenge the officer’s determination that there was probable cause to subject you to a breath chemical test, yes. You should probably choose a different example
Posted on 11/24/18 at 7:19 pm to SlapahoeTribe
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If I refused to give a breathalyzer, would the judge rule that I get due process before my privilege of driving can be revoked?
Well, in Texas you do, it's called an "administrative license revocation" hearing. It requires preponderance of evidence and is heavily, heavily slanted against the defendant (but I digress).
But I get your point. Because it's an "administrative" process, that's the state's way of avoiding double jeopardy, in that your license can be suspended administratively, then suspended again related to criminal conviction, all for the same offense.
I would argue that the issuance of a press pass is an administrative policy that doesn't afford due process (notwithstanding what I wrote earlier), but perhaps the courts indeed have applied the right to due process to criminal, civil and administrative action.
Edit: Obviously they have.
This post was edited on 11/24/18 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 11/24/18 at 7:22 pm to Strannix
quote:
assault female staffer
You're like a pull-the-string toy.
Pull your string and you say "assault female staffer" - 3 times in the first page of the thread.
Posted on 11/24/18 at 7:24 pm to texridder
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Pull your string and you say "assault female staffer" - 3 times in the first page of the thread.
Is there a proper frequency for true statements in a thread?
Posted on 11/24/18 at 7:27 pm to Joshjrn
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You’re entitled to an administrative hearing to challenge the officer’s determination that there was probable cause to subject you to a breath chemical test, yes. You should probably choose a different example
In Louisiana? That new? Because I’ve always been told that simple refusal to submit to a breathalyzer or blood test causes my license to be suspended for 12 months (maybe 6... it’s been a while since I’ve had a cop tell me that one ).
Posted on 11/24/18 at 7:30 pm to Joshjrn
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You’re entitled to an administrative hearing to challenge the officer’s determination that there was probable cause to subject you to a breath chemical test, yes.
It's more than that in Texas. One of the elements to be proven by a preponderance of evidence is that you were correctly read the statutory warning advising you of the consequences of refusal.
Posted on 11/24/18 at 7:34 pm to texridder
quote:
Pull your string and you say "assault female staffer" - 3 times in the first page of the thread.
How else do you phrase it? Acosta attacked female staffer?
Posted on 11/24/18 at 7:36 pm to Strannix
quote:Repeating it 100 times does not make it true.
assault female staffers
Posted on 11/24/18 at 7:38 pm to Dale51
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Try it yourself in public to a woman you don't know and then report back on how it went.
Try what? Inadvertently brushing the arm of someone who is reaching across my body?
Run to a cop with that one. He will laugh in your face and tell you to grow a pair.
Posted on 11/24/18 at 7:39 pm to Strannix
quote:
How else do you phrase it? Acosta attacked female staffer?
Attacked?
attack -- to take an aggressive and violent action against a person or place.
An aggressive and violent action. You sure about that?
Posted on 11/24/18 at 7:39 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Try what? Inadvertently brushing the arm of someone who is reaching across my body?
Oh lord
Posted on 11/24/18 at 7:40 pm to FalseProphet
quote:Basically, even TRUMP's "best people" are smarter than the PT whiners.
(The judge) found that the White House afforded no process to dispute the allegations, and the video was not blatant enough to justify no due process.
I can live with that, and so could all of the lawyers in the Office of Legal Counsel and the Solicitor General’s Office.
Posted on 11/24/18 at 7:43 pm to Dale51
quote:Several hundred years of Anglo-American jurisprudence.quote:What are you basing that claim on?
but when it does, it can’t arbitrarily revoke them.
Posted on 11/24/18 at 7:45 pm to texridder
quote:It is like the Bloody Mary legend.
You're like a pull-the-string toy.
Pull your string and you say "assault female staffer" - 3 times in the first page of the thread.
He hopes that repeating it will magically revise the event.
Posted on 11/24/18 at 7:45 pm to SlapahoeTribe
quote:
In Louisiana? That new? Because I’ve always been told that simple refusal to submit to a breathalyzer or blood test causes my license to be suspended for 12 months (maybe 6... it’s been a while since I’ve had a cop tell me that one ).
So, we are quibbling over temporal semantics a bit. Technically, your license is suspended immediately. However, you are entitled to said administrative hearing. It’s nearly impossible to win that hearing, but you are entitled to it, nonetheless
Posted on 11/24/18 at 7:46 pm to Strannix
quote:"Acosta inadvertently brushed the arm of a female staffer who was reaching across his body."
How else do you phrase it? Acosta attacked female staffer?
It is longer and lacks the pizzazz of Strannix' made-up bullshite, but it is FAR, FAR more accurate.
This post was edited on 11/24/18 at 7:55 pm
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