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re: I don’t feel sorry for Fed employees losing their jobs

Posted on 2/22/25 at 6:13 pm to
Posted by dhuck20
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 6:13 pm to
There’s a way to do a reduction in force. I’m sure people would still complain but at least the proper way would lead to legitimate, fair cuts that could be reasonably expected AND be based on the actual performance of the employee or need of the position.

The way Trump/Musk has gone about this, leaving the workforce in the dark and making drastic changes before it can be properly handed down through the chain of command feels like at best political posturing and at worst psychological warfare.

I know yall will probably roll your eyes, but I have been in about 3-4 different all-calls where leadership is just completely devoid of answers and that is flowed down the chain of command to us peons where we feel at the drop of a hat we can lose our livelihoods. Direct supervisors being unable to console their worried employees, Trainees, new hires, and even journeymen crying trying to calm people down but there’s no factual evidence of stability at this point. A lot of us accepted pay cuts to support mission-critical operations to support the warfighter and SOME (not all, for sure) take our job VERY seriously.
This post was edited on 2/22/25 at 6:44 pm
Posted by DiamondDog
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 6:20 pm to
Welcome to the private sector. How it goes.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 6:25 pm to
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The way Trump/Musk has gone about this, leaving the workforce in the dark and making drastic changes before it can be properly handed down through the chain of command feels like at best political posturing and at worst psychological warfare.


I agree.
Posted by Jack Carter
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 6:26 pm to
They can learn to pick crops
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 8:16 pm to
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So why not start with something that'll actually make a dent?
There are numerous other sundry costs associated with the employment end. Health insurance, training certs, retirement funding, etc.

Correlated costs can be significantly greater. They include ebb and flow to NGO's, lobbying, etc. related to government, creating "government friendly networks" sucking in funds. The larger and more complex the organization, the more difficult those interfaces are to track, much less quantify. You also get into task overlap, aka too many cooks in the kitchen, with all parties often from different sections and/or agencies in a job justification mode.

That is not just apropos to government BTW. Here is something similar Jamie Dimon addressed at a recent JPMorgan townhall meeting:
quote:

Dimon recounted a story about a wealth management matter that required 14 committee approvals.

"I feel like firing 14 chairmen of committees, I can't stand it anymore," he said. "I'm sorry. It's my fault. I'm the boss."

He also cited performance reviews for the bank's operating committee that could stretch to six pages.

"Because of legal and risk, they have to look at it, the regulators might say, there could be litigation around it, so you have to be careful," Dimon said. "I get the thing, I throw it in the goddamned garbage can."
This post was edited on 2/22/25 at 8:17 pm
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 8:21 pm to
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It’s nothing new to us. My arse hole clinches every year during our budget review


That’s why I feel sorry for then.

It needs to happen but anytime someone loses their job not because of their ability… it sucks
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 8:23 pm to
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anytime someone loses their job not because of their ability… it sucks
Yep.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 8:24 pm to
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B. Everyone else in the private sector worries about getting fired all the time. It’s nothing new to us. My arse hole clinches every year during our budget review



Eh, it is just about as hard to get fired from a big corporate job as a government job. Any place that has an HR department will have managers struggling to fire people for performance unless they compromise their own performance to document the poor performer out of a job. The quickest way to get fired anywhere are things that have little to do with work but a lot to do with potential lawsuits for the employer. The only difference between the two is private sector has to worry that their leadership went full retard and they get laid off to save the bottom line.

This happened at Sonos recently. Employees told the leadership to not release an app update because it wasn't ready but their premium wireless over-ear headphones depended on new app. Headphones were a big part of the CEOs pitch to the board for growth, so they released the app anyway. It caused Sonos to eat shite for the last year because the new app did not have feature parity with the previous version. They have fired much of the C-level and laid off hundreds of employees (likely the ones telling the C-level to pull their heads out of their arse).
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 8:30 pm to
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it is just about as hard to get fired from a big corporate job as a government job. Any place that has an HR department will have managers struggling to fire people for performance unless they compromise their own performance to document the poor performer out of a job. The quickest way to get fired anywhere are things that have little to do with work but a lot to do with potential lawsuits for the employer. The only difference between the two is private sector has to worry that their leadership went full retard and they get laid off to save the bottom line.
There is usually another difference ... competitors. When companies have a virtual monopoly things may well rate as you describe. But inefficiency kills companies in competition.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 8:41 pm to
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There is usually another difference ... competitors. When companies have a virtual monopoly things may well rate as you describe. But inefficiency kills companies in competition.



Typically a competitor in domestic governments means a civil war, so I'd prefer the monopoly.

And let us be real: many of the largest employers in the US essentially exist in markets with some sort of oligopoly.

I think people lionize the business world a bit too much on here. They have their own ills and we all have to deal with them but often don't perceive it because they're second/third order problems (knock-on effects so to speak).
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 9:01 pm to
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I think people lionize the business world a bit too much on here.
Some of us have a bit of experience in the arena.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110952 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 9:15 pm to
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Typically a competitor in domestic governments means a civil war, so I'd prefer the monopoly.


Might be a good time to examine and reassess our multiple layers of government.
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