re: I Can’t Remember, Did We Have Any Fauci Worshipers On Here?

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Again, was our intent disease control or disease eradication?

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If the intent was disease eradication then the level of hubris involved was even worse than thought. I believe we have done that a with a grand total of one human disease via vaccines (smallpox).

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If the intent was disease eradication then the level of hubris involved was even worse than thought. I believe we have done that a with a grand total of one human disease via vaccines (smallpox).

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Technically, two, smallpox and rinderpest. I go into why I believe the mRNA vaccine was designed with disease eradication in mind here. LINK

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It's only an eradication tool if it's a) effective at a much higher rate than currently shown, and b) can be "updated," manufactured and administered at such a speed that it precludes further mutation.

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The main issue with eradication is that we cannot possibly control transmission. Smallpox eradication was aided by a consistent presentation, a viral exanthem which was pathognomonic for infection, and a low mutation rate due to the morphology of the virus itself. Even that process of eradication took great effort. Dr. DA Henderson wrote a wonderful book on smallpox eradication, and he notes that even in regions where it was still at an epidemic or endemic levels when the vaccination campaign began, there was still massive institutional pushback, with I believe a southeast Asian country's health department (possibly Indonesia) even returning the money that was allocated to them for the vaccination campaign, as the head of that program said it was impossible to eradicate. Regardless, it took several things and levels of cooperation between discrete political entities for eradication to even be possible, and I am skeptical we will ever get that sort of international cooperation ever again.

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b) can be "updated," manufactured and administered at such a speed that it precludes further mutation.

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I mean, this was one of the selling points of the vaccine as it was designed. As in, this was explicitly stated as one of the possible benefits of the mRNA approach. We never saw anything close to what was required and the piecemeal strategy ended up being the worst of all the possible solutions.

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Even if both Pfizer and Moderna had been 100%, or even 95% effective with no long term side effects, eradication likely wouldn't have been possible even by today.

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I posited in that earlier post, either in the one I linked or some other one, that the only way designing a vaccine with such a narrow molecular range would possibly work was if you wanted to manipulate the error mutation rate to push the virus towards genomic exhaustion as it were. I think and thought at the time, that was a pretty poor strategy, especially when Modern and Pfizer did not want to share their mRNA tech widely.

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I know..... you just disagree with the behavior and are curious what's behind it?

carry on with your social experiment.

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Thank you. I will do just that.

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You seem to want to pretend you didn’t come strolling into this thread like a colossal prick

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Lol, I know what I am doing man.

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. You busted into this thread babbling about Trumpian theatrics and since then have tried to not talk about Fauci and place blame on Trump and no one else.

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I don't think I mentioned Trump once, certainly not by name. You realize political theater has existed before Trump?

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And telling anti vaxxers to frick off when it’s guys like you with your pompousness and excuse making to cover up that turned people into anti vaxxers

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Show me where I made any excuse? You are overrating my ability to get anyone to listen to me. Yet me telling a group to frick-off is going to be a contributing factor into turning people into anti-vaxxers? Color me skeptical. You are giving me a degree of power that I straight up do not have.

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Thats beyond bad faith.

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No. I am fairly obvious about my approach. There are/were way too many people who respond/responded to my posts on CV19 to keep track. And the easiest way of dealing with them was to make a judgement call on their earnestness. I have my own thoughts and views and none of them are a proxy for things that Fauci said or did. I am not giving medical advice. I am giving my views on a subject I know extremely well. That the words I actually use do not end up mattering and instead I get lumped in with some view of the disease that flies in the face of what I said at the time, as things were ongoing, is absolutely dishonest and thankfully I have the proof of what I said at the time to rebut those claims.

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Complicit with those who lied their way to destroyed lives.

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Nope. You should read what I wrote, because again, you just fall into bad-faith representations of what I actually believe, like LuckyTiger has done repeatedly.

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And still complicit in the attempt to continue to cover it up as evidenced by your bullshite here

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Lol. I stand by everything I said during COVID and still stand by it. If you want to talk about my actual words, then we can do that. I have hundreds of posts about the topic. If you want to invent a reason to dislike me by trying to inculcate me with some vast conspiracy you want to believe about the medical establishment, go ahead. In the latter, I will treat you as I have done already.

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No. I am fairly obvious about my approach

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I’m aware. I’m just not used to people being proud of bringing a colossal prick

But you do you.

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If you want to invent a reason to dislike me by trying to inculcate me with some vast conspiracy you want to believe about the medical establishment, go ahead. In the latter, I will treat you as I have done already.

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I don’t dislike you I just see you for what you are. Complicit with Fauci and others while people’s lives were destroyed. Still not prepared to admit mistakes and/or lies. You’re the settled science guy who hides behind his “knowledge”. You’re the guy who wants to dodge your and Faucis responsibility by talking about Rand Paul and Trumpian theatrics.

in other words….. as I’ve said…. A pompous POS

So pompous he actually thinks I care “how you treat me”

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Complicit with Fauci and others while people’s lives were destroyed.

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How? Like give me some specifics rather than categorizing my persona.

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Still not prepared to admit mistakes and/or lies.

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Well firstly, I didn't lie. I am confused as to why I am held liable for what Fauci did. Secondly, I make plenty of mistakes all the time. I even agreed with NC_Tigah in this thread where he took me to task about CV19 vaccination in children. And I've admitted that the establishment has made plenty of mistakes, and I've saying they were making mistakes as they were making them, and I've repeated those positions for a half-decade now. Which leads me to the point. I get blamed for positions I didn't take, and I don't get direct answers from those same accusers when I show them posts from the height of CV19 which flies in the face of their particular notion. If you want to blame me for anything, you can start with things I actually said, not things which are invented or are proxies for frustration with other institutional bodies.

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You’re the settled science guy who hides behind his “knowledge”

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Lol what?

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So pompous he actually thinks I care “how you treat me”

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Hey man, you seem quite moved by the fact I can be as big a prick as anyone else on here. Moreso than pretty much everyone else.

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Why don’t you move on. Hours ago you were telling us how busy you were. Bud

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Lol, you are really upset that I don't care about Rand's theatrics and I don't think they will have any effect. Bring it up again bud.

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Lol, you are really upset that I don't care about Rand's theatrics and I don't think they will have any effect. Bring it up again bud.

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I would but I’m just too busy….. busy busy busy…..