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re: Human Events: Battalion Commander Reportedly Tells Troops….
Posted on 6/12/21 at 3:42 pm to Flats
Posted on 6/12/21 at 3:42 pm to Flats
This dipshit hasn't been in command long enough to build the kind of equity required to get away with something stupid like this, even in the current woke-K-K DoD environment.
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Posted on 6/12/21 at 4:32 pm to Flats
That'll get SOMEBODY's attention.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 7:57 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
I don't agree that I have missed the big picture, as you say.
Perhaps you're right.
We'll see.
I'd still like to see you answer my questions, if you have time, because, I haven't changed my mind. My guess is that this Officer's chain of command has no desire to go proper procedures of Relief for Cause, Investigation, Report of Investigation followed by Referred OER followed by DA mandated Show Cause board, all for a young Battalion Commander who said exactly what POTUS and SecDef endorse - white people are a part of the problem.
How do we keep an eye on this case? IMHO this will be a very good "test case" to follow.
You say that his chain of command will view this as "toxic leadership". Perhaps so. But, IMHO they won't view this as actionable.
People don't get to be General Officers by cutting against the stated philosophy of the POTUS and SecDef.
Perhaps you're right.
We'll see.
I'd still like to see you answer my questions, if you have time, because, I haven't changed my mind. My guess is that this Officer's chain of command has no desire to go proper procedures of Relief for Cause, Investigation, Report of Investigation followed by Referred OER followed by DA mandated Show Cause board, all for a young Battalion Commander who said exactly what POTUS and SecDef endorse - white people are a part of the problem.
How do we keep an eye on this case? IMHO this will be a very good "test case" to follow.
You say that his chain of command will view this as "toxic leadership". Perhaps so. But, IMHO they won't view this as actionable.
People don't get to be General Officers by cutting against the stated philosophy of the POTUS and SecDef.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 8:00 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
quote:
Representative Doug Lamborn (Republican) is the Representative of that district. How long do you think before his office is contacted?
I realize that any congressional complaint generates an informal investigation. But the Officer's commander still has discretion to act or do nothing, no matter what the Inv Officer says.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 8:02 pm to Wolfhound45
I would live to see a Sargent Major take down this fricking closet fig.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 8:08 pm to Wolfhound45
Wolfhound, you were on Active Duty very recently.
What do you think this Officer's chain of command is going to do?
I think that, now that the Officer has erased his social media presence, they do nothing beyond oral counseling. No referred OER.
What do you think this Officer's chain of command is going to do?
I think that, now that the Officer has erased his social media presence, they do nothing beyond oral counseling. No referred OER.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 8:09 pm to Champagne
Go back to the example of Kathy Fox that I mentioned. It was well known that she was a toxic leader well before she took Battalion Command. She was being fast tracked for GO and it took EVERY FEMALE LEADER IN HER BATTALION basically threatening to mutiny to get rid of her.
Enough people complain both Soldier and family member and the command has no choice.
Enough people complain both Soldier and family member and the command has no choice.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 8:10 pm to Champagne
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I think that, now that the Officer has erased his social media presence, they do nothing beyond oral counseling. No referred OER.
All it takes is multiple officers under his command to submit UQRs and multiple Ft. Carson families to pitch a fit...
Another example: COL and "Doctor" Drinkwine. LTG Austin let it go as XVIII ABC Commander. LTG Helmick had to clean up the mess when the problem got too public to cover up.
Top cover only goes so far when your subordinates are on the cusp of mutiny.
This post was edited on 6/12/21 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 6/12/21 at 8:12 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
This guy sounds like a candidate for "Most Likely to get Fragged".
Posted on 6/12/21 at 8:53 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Your view is that this Officer gets Relief for Cause, right?
Posted on 6/12/21 at 8:54 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
quote:
Go back to the example of Kathy Fox
Pics would help me go back to that example.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 9:15 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
quote:Damn you are thorough. Respect.
CGSC Lobotomy
Posted on 6/12/21 at 9:19 pm to Champagne
Honest assessment? I think the 4th ID tries to weather the storm and does nothing to him. I was shocked at how quickly the woke culture took hold in 2020 with the death of George Floyd. I have worn the uniform in some capacity for forty years and have never seen our ranks politicized in the fashion they were in that brief time. Just incredible.
The assessment of CGSOC is spot on though. It is going to get ugly at Fort Carson.
This is why we remain apolitical as Army officers.
The assessment of CGSOC is spot on though. It is going to get ugly at Fort Carson.
This is why we remain apolitical as Army officers.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 9:22 pm to Champagne
quote:
Pics would help me go back to that example.
Yeah that's a no.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 9:23 pm to Champagne
quote:
Your view is that this Officer gets Relief for Cause, right?
No, but the likelihood he serves 2 years in command is low.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 9:26 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
quote:I honestly (unfortunately) see him as a resident SSC select and he leaves command early.
…the likelihood he serves 2 years in command is low.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 9:30 pm to Wolfhound45
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I honestly (unfortunately) see him as a resident SSC select and he leaves command early.
People like him can't help themselves. He is literally destroying his own credibility with those under him 1 week into command. Chances are extremely high he does it again soon and leaves the Division and Corps no choice but to make an example of him.
I'll give another example. 2016 Commander's Cyber Readiness Inspection prep at JBLM. Courage 6 (Now retired Steven Lanza) asks for the status from each commander down to the Battalion level. The 1-17 Infantry Commander asks, "sir, why am I wasting my unit's time with this?" From that moment until the inspection took place his Battalion was inspected at least once a day and put on the FOD checks every night.
That same idiot's change of command ceremony when he left command was a case study in what NOT to do.
This post was edited on 6/12/21 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 6/12/21 at 9:30 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
quote:dvidshub.net has pictures of the TOA in theater. Nothing special about her.
Yeah that's a no.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 9:32 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
quote:I absolutely agree. I must admit, I have lost faith in our ability to weed out people like him. Sad state of affairs.
People like him can't help themselves.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 9:33 pm to Wolfhound45
My former boss at 7th ID, who is now the CECOM G3, famously credited his predecessor at 112th Signal for his success.
"He set the bar so low I had no choice but to excel."
"He set the bar so low I had no choice but to excel."
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