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HRC Campaign and the Pied Piper Strategy (2016 election)
Posted on 12/13/19 at 5:52 am
Posted on 12/13/19 at 5:52 am
So I ran across this earlier through a friend and wasn't sure if the email he had sent me via image was legit so I did a little bit of research.
I'm surprised that this hasn't been talked about more on here. I did a search and I did see that one of the users that posts here very infrequently referenced it here briefly:
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=84425992&s=2&p=84425961#84425992
Anyway, to make a long story short, here is a Salon article which is an unquestionably left wing rag that actually posted this shortly after the election of Trump in 2016:
This text passage alone is disturbing enough if for no other reason than the part in bold. We know that Clinton has been fed debate questions and such but it seems pretty clear here that the DNC thinks they can just straight up give marching orders to the media. While the above text is disturbing the email from Wikileaks below is much more disturbing and I'll list a few reasons why that should seem pretty obvious.
A few things stand out immediately to me:
1. This is in April of 2015 when the DNC primary process was still open. This assumes an end goal of rigging it for Hillary (we pretty much knew that already but this is pretty damning)
2. We don't know who the email came from but it's a clear group email to all people within the DNC and it certainly originated within that organization (or at least I think that's a reasonable assumption - EDIT - corrected, it was actually a Clinton staffer and not a DNC member)
3. It's unclear but certainly implied that this tactic was used against Romney in 2012. The big question might be, was that tactic employed with complicity by members in the media? If so that's obviously pretty incorrigible.
I don't care where you sit politically but this looks like blatant domestic interference on the part of the media of our democratic process. And it would certainly explain a lot of the vitriol from the media because this plan completely backfired.
What's perhaps more disturbing is if this is all legitimate it was twice used by incumbent parties to influence the media to try to produce outcomes for individual politicians. Not even for an ideological agenda but for individuals.
Pardon me, upon further inspection, there is a "from" in the email per this link
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1120
And this is the original Salon article on the matter
https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/
I'm surprised that this hasn't been talked about more on here. I did a search and I did see that one of the users that posts here very infrequently referenced it here briefly:
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=84425992&s=2&p=84425961#84425992
Anyway, to make a long story short, here is a Salon article which is an unquestionably left wing rag that actually posted this shortly after the election of Trump in 2016:
quote:
What was not often acknowledged in Trump's heated race against Democrat Hillary Clinton, however, was how her campaign fueled his rise to power.
An email recently released by the whistleblowing organization WikiLeaks shows how the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party bear direct responsibility for propelling the bigoted billionaire to the White House.
In its self-described "pied piper" strategy, the Clinton campaign proposed intentionally cultivating extreme right-wing presidential candidates, hoping to turn them into the new "mainstream of the Republican Party" in order to try to increase Clinton's chances of winning.
The Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee called for using far-right candidates "as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right." Clinton's camp insisted that Trump and other extremists should be "elevated" to "leaders of the pack" and media outlets should be told to "take them seriously."
This text passage alone is disturbing enough if for no other reason than the part in bold. We know that Clinton has been fed debate questions and such but it seems pretty clear here that the DNC thinks they can just straight up give marching orders to the media. While the above text is disturbing the email from Wikileaks below is much more disturbing and I'll list a few reasons why that should seem pretty obvious.
A few things stand out immediately to me:
1. This is in April of 2015 when the DNC primary process was still open. This assumes an end goal of rigging it for Hillary (we pretty much knew that already but this is pretty damning)
2. We don't know who the email came from but it's a clear group email to all people within the DNC and it certainly originated within that organization (or at least I think that's a reasonable assumption - EDIT - corrected, it was actually a Clinton staffer and not a DNC member)
3. It's unclear but certainly implied that this tactic was used against Romney in 2012. The big question might be, was that tactic employed with complicity by members in the media? If so that's obviously pretty incorrigible.
I don't care where you sit politically but this looks like blatant domestic interference on the part of the media of our democratic process. And it would certainly explain a lot of the vitriol from the media because this plan completely backfired.
What's perhaps more disturbing is if this is all legitimate it was twice used by incumbent parties to influence the media to try to produce outcomes for individual politicians. Not even for an ideological agenda but for individuals.
Pardon me, upon further inspection, there is a "from" in the email per this link
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1120
And this is the original Salon article on the matter
https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/
This post was edited on 12/13/19 at 5:56 am
Posted on 12/13/19 at 5:57 am to Powerman
quote:
bigoted billionaire t
Oh really.
quote:
Trump and other extremists
Jfc
Posted on 12/13/19 at 5:57 am to GregMaddux
Read the rest of the content. It's pretty interesting.
Posted on 12/13/19 at 5:58 am to Powerman
Seems like Trump and the GOP has employed this strategy better relative to "The Squad"
Posted on 12/13/19 at 6:01 am to Powerman
I did. They’re completely clueless on the political spectrum. Guess they played the game from where they want the goal posts to be. But the goal posts aren’t quite there. Yet.
Posted on 12/13/19 at 6:02 am to GregMaddux
I'm more disturbed at the amount of influence the Clinton's had on the media. I can't imagine what things would be like if she had the power of the oval office to back her
Posted on 12/13/19 at 6:07 am to Powerman
Yes I agree. Anyone remember how the media lauded Trump up until he was the nominee and then they flipped on him? That article explains why. And people wonder why we consider MSM to be the propaganda wing of the dem party.
Posted on 12/13/19 at 6:11 am to V2_Jigsaw
quote:
Anyone remember how the media lauded Trump up until he was the nominee and then they flipped on him?
That's not really how I recall it. I remember him being heavily scrutinized but at the same time he got all the air time he wanted. This explains why. It wasn't just about ratings.
I remember pondering the following during the run up to the nomination: for the media to dislike the guy so much they're giving him a lot of publicity.
Posted on 12/13/19 at 6:24 am to Powerman
My biggest concern about Trump during the primary of '16 was precisely THIS - to me it was OBVIOUS the Media was elevating Trump to the disadvantage of the other "serious" candidates <== my concern at the time. (to repeat for the zillionth time = I am as MAGA as it gets, have issued dozens of Mea Culpas, and will ignore any continued animus from that stance.)
I didn't know anything about Trump then other than he was a playboy - and I felt he was on an ego trip - I absolutely agreed with EVERY POLICY he advocated, but felt he was being fed those statements by handlers.
HOWEVER - it was my immediate understanding that the DNC and MSM were in cahoots to force Trump to be the candidate for HRC to face in the G.E. - and this made me hate Trump even more - felt he had NO CHANCE of victory against the combined assault from the DEM political machine and the MSM narrative driven 'news'
So yes - I wholeheartedly believe the slant of the OP. It also explains the absolute HATRED they have for the man and those of us who voted for him;
I didn't know anything about Trump then other than he was a playboy - and I felt he was on an ego trip - I absolutely agreed with EVERY POLICY he advocated, but felt he was being fed those statements by handlers.
HOWEVER - it was my immediate understanding that the DNC and MSM were in cahoots to force Trump to be the candidate for HRC to face in the G.E. - and this made me hate Trump even more - felt he had NO CHANCE of victory against the combined assault from the DEM political machine and the MSM narrative driven 'news'
So yes - I wholeheartedly believe the slant of the OP. It also explains the absolute HATRED they have for the man and those of us who voted for him;
Posted on 12/13/19 at 6:25 am to Powerman
Posted on 12/13/19 at 6:29 am to Weekend Warrior79
quote:
You didn't post these as clickable links
Sorry, usually I just copy and paste into the body of the post and it works
Posted on 12/13/19 at 6:30 am to Powerman
You missed the bigger point. Their goal. It wasn’t to make Hilliary palatable but to make her opponent unpalatable.
Posted on 12/13/19 at 6:33 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
quote:
You missed the bigger point. Their goal. It wasn’t to make Hilliary palatable but to make her opponent unpalatable.
That seems pretty obvious. Not sure who you think missed that.
Posted on 12/13/19 at 7:04 am to Powerman
The irony of their plan to make the republican candidate’s look like far right extremists is embarrassing and laughable compared to how far left the 2020 democrat presidential candidates.
Posted on 12/13/19 at 8:36 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:exactly my experience. Trump was set up to be the racist, sexist rich white man (the PAST) defeated by the noble, strong woman Hillary (the prog FUTURE). I hated on Trump a LOT for this.
HOWEVER - it was my immediate understanding that the DNC and MSM were in cahoots to force Trump to be the candidate for HRC to face in the G.E. - and this made me hate Trump even more - felt he had NO CHANCE of victory against the combined assault from the DEM political machine and the MSM narrative driven 'news'
And if it wasn't for WikiLeaks, that is exactly what would have happened. We'd be in EU style prog hell right now.
But for this reason, I'll never naively consider Trump a savior. He used to be a democrat FFS, but what he represents is a rejection of leftism, so I'll support him for the foreseeable future.
This post was edited on 12/13/19 at 8:39 am
Posted on 12/13/19 at 9:34 am to Powerman
quote:
Anyone remember how the media lauded Trump up until he was the nominee and then they flipped on him?
This is exactly how I remember it. The media didn't start giving Trump a hard time until he recieved the Reublican nomination.
I remember at the time thinking the MSM and the Clinton campaign probably contrived it that way; almost as if they preferred Trump as the opponent, because they thought he would be a cinch to beat.
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