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re: How Many Here Know That Intelligence Told Obama That Trump/Russia Was False, But.....

Posted on 12/4/25 at 12:40 pm to
Posted by Prettyboy Floyd
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Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 12/4/25 at 12:40 pm to
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Taken as a whole, Manafort’s high-level access and willingness to share information with individuals closely affiliated with the Russian intelligence services, particularly Kilimnik, represented a grave counterintelligence threat,”



Since Kiliminik is the scary russian Manafort was supposedly colluding with. How did Kiliminik get into our country - why was he a friend of the Obama and Bush state departments? - How do you think Paul Manafort got to know him?

Ill wait


Kilimnik - The supposed scary russian spy
This post was edited on 12/4/25 at 12:49 pm
Posted by Prettyboy Floyd
Pensacola, Florida
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 12/4/25 at 12:42 pm to
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ONDS was unable to provide a single piece of evidence to support the claim that Obama tapped Trump, instead he spewed insults


Then how exactly did they have a full conversation between Michael Flynn and the Russian ambassador?


You going to keep lying?
Posted by Prettyboy Floyd
Pensacola, Florida
Member since Dec 2013
16593 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 12:45 pm to
For those that are woefully uninformed. The Obama DHS released this report two weeks before Trump took office. This was a planned attack to try and tie Trump to Russia. The entire thing was a generated narrative that never had legs.

Operation Grizzley Steppe
Posted by Bama Mountain
Member since Oct 2025
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Posted on 12/4/25 at 12:55 pm to
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Then how exactly did they have a full conversation between Michael Flynn and the Russian ambassador?


You going to keep lying?


The FBI tapped Kislyak's phone.

Before you accuse someone of lying you might want to do a tiny bit of research.
Posted by Prettyboy Floyd
Pensacola, Florida
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 12/4/25 at 1:03 pm to
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The FBI tapped Kislyak's phone.
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The FBI tapped Kislyak's phone.

Before you accuse someone of lying you might want to do a tiny bit of research.



How did they know to look into the specific calls with Michael Flynn. They aren't allowed to spy on the incoming head of NSA. How exactly did they capture those specific phone calls and use them to target Donald Trump?

You think that was a fricking accident

Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26926 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 1:05 pm to
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You think that was a fricking accident



He's a trolling alter moron. 8 pages of "ackchually".
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 12/4/25 at 1:10 pm to
Wasn’t a glitch, but it was a feature.
Posted by Bama Mountain
Member since Oct 2025
961 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 1:15 pm to
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How exactly did they capture those specific phone calls


All of Kislyak's calls were intercepted, not just the ones he had with Flynn. They were not spying on Flynn, they were spying on the Russian Ambassador.

They also were not tapping Trump's phones.

Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
56889 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 1:18 pm to
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The FBI tapped Kislyak's phone. Before you accuse someone of lying you might want to do a tiny bit of research.


You should heed your own advice. Was that the only phone they tapped?


Posted by Prettyboy Floyd
Pensacola, Florida
Member since Dec 2013
16593 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 1:20 pm to
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They also were not tapping Trump's phones.




Sure they weren't. They just had an entire OIG report on how they got FISA warrants on people on the Trump admin using false and unverified reports and how they had to fix the entire FISA process because they used it nefariously to go after Trump.




OIG Report


Posted by Bama Mountain
Member since Oct 2025
961 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 1:22 pm to
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Was that the only phone they tapped?


If you find evidence of Trump's phone being tapped please present it.
Posted by Prettyboy Floyd
Pensacola, Florida
Member since Dec 2013
16593 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 1:24 pm to
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You should heed your own advice. Was that the only phone they tapped?



They also magically got ahold of a magical ping from Trump tower that supposedly went to the Russian controlled Alpha Bank using DNS logs.

Except - it was entirely fake

The old alpha bank hoax
Posted by Prettyboy Floyd
Pensacola, Florida
Member since Dec 2013
16593 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 1:27 pm to
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If you find evidence of Trump's phone being tapped please present it.



Was Carter Page on the Trump team



quote:

Our review of the Department’s applications to authorize FISA surveillance of Carter Page found that FBI personnel fell far short of the requirement in FBI policy that they ensure that all factual statements in a FISA application are "scrupulously accurate." We identified multiple instances in which factual assertions relied upon by the FISC in the FISA applications were inaccurate, incomplete, or unsupported by appropriate documentation, based upon information the FBI had in its possession at the time the applications were filed. We found that the problems we identified were primarily caused by the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane team failing to share all relevant information with the NSD and, consequently, the information was not considered by the Department decision makers who ultimately decided to support the applications. We identified 17 significant inaccuracies and omissions in the four applications -- 7 in the first FISA application and a total of 17 by the time of the final renewal application in 2017.

In our conclusion to that report, we explained the significance of these errors, noting:

The authority under FISA to conduct electronic surveillance and physical searches targeting individuals significantly assists the government's efforts to combat terrorism, clandestine intelligence activity, and other threats to the national security. At the same time, the use of this authority unavoidably raises civil liberties concerns. FISA orders can be used to surveil U.S. persons, like Carter Page, and in some cases the surveillance will foreseeably collect information about the individual's constitutionally protected activities, such as Page's legitimate activities on behalf of a presidential campaign. Moreover, proceedings before the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC)—which is responsible for ruling on applications for FISA orders—are ex parte, meaning that unlike most court proceedings, the government is present but the government's counterparty is not. In addition, unlike the use of other intrusive investigative techniques (such as wiretaps under Title III and traditional criminal search warrants) that are granted in ex parte hearings but can potentially be subject to later court challenge, FISA orders have not been subject to scrutiny through subsequent adversarial proceedings.

In light of these concerns, Congress through the FISA statute, and the Department and FBI through policies and procedures, have established important safeguards to protect the FISA application process from irregularities and abuse. Among the most important are the requirements in FBI policy that every FISA application must contain a "full and accurate" presentation of the facts, and that agents must ensure that all factual statements in FISA applications are "scrupulously accurate." These are the standards for all FISA applications, regardless of the investigation's sensitivity, and it is incumbent upon the FBI to meet them in every application.

The FBI fell far short of these standards in the applications targeting Carter Page, even though the FBI recognized that these applications would be subject to greater scrutiny than most FISA applications.

In addition, we identified numerous instances of non-compliance with the FBI’s factual accuracy review procedures (the “Woods Procedures”) in connection with the four Carter Page FISA applications. The FBI’s Woods Procedures require agents to document in a Woods File the support for all factual assertions contained in FISA applications for surveillance. The FBI adopted its Woods Procedures in 2001, following earlier concerns raised by the FISC about inaccuracies in FISA applications. However, in connection with the Carter Page applications, we found basic, fundamental, and serious errors during the FBI’s completion of its Woods Procedures and that some agents did not appear to know certain basic requirements of the Woods Procedures. In light of the significant compliance issues we identified, the OIG initiated an audit to more broadly examine the FBI's compliance with its Woods Procedures. I detail below the results of that audit.

In addition to initiating the Woods Procedures audit, the OIG made nine recommendations to the Department and the FBI to assist them in avoiding similar failures in future investigations. The first of these recommendations, which remains open in part, included four subparts, and is intended to strengthen the accuracy of FISA applications submitted by the Department to the FISC. It requires the Department and the FBI to ensure that adequate procedures are in place for NSD to obtain all relevant and accurate information needed to prepare accurate FISA applications and renewal applications, including any exculpatory information in the FBI’s possession.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109685 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 1:35 pm to
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Wasn’t a glitch, but it was a feature.


They are proud of it. This is the America they want.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
56889 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 1:38 pm to
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They also magically got ahold of a magical ping from Trump tower that supposedly went to the Russian controlled Alpha Bank using DNS logs. Except - it was entirely fake


You should do some research. You clearly aren’t aware of all of the facts.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
56889 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 1:39 pm to
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Was Carter Page on the Trump team


He wasn’t aware of the that. The AI machine that gave him his info must have left it off.
Posted by Prettyboy Floyd
Pensacola, Florida
Member since Dec 2013
16593 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 1:52 pm to
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You should do some research. You clearly aren’t aware of all of the facts.


I know


Ill try to do better :(

Spygate continued
Posted by Csmims
A sandy beach in paradise
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 12/4/25 at 1:58 pm to
That’s actually a pretty well known fact
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 12/4/25 at 2:00 pm to
Posted by Bama Mountain
Member since Oct 2025
961 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 2:05 pm to
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That’s actually a pretty well known fact


That Obama tapped Trump's phones?

If it is pretty well known it should be easy for you to provide some evidence that it happened.
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