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re: How does TEXIT avoid losing our independence vote like Scotland did in 2014?

Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:48 pm to
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:48 pm to
If Texas secedes, can we change the name of Fort Hood ... back to "Fort Hood?"
This post was edited on 1/15/21 at 3:39 pm
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44007 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:49 pm to
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It's going to need to be a lot higher than that.

That was a simple straw poll--before any sort of PR campaign had been launched and before the current Union showed itself to be tyrannical.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44007 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:52 pm to
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If this happens in TX, what will stop this from happening in other areas?

If any are equipped to do so and choose to offer a referendum for their citizens' democratic vote, more power to 'em.

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Then we’ll no longer have a unified country

You think we're unified now?
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
4306 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:56 pm to
They will not allow you to peacefully secede
Posted by keks tadpole
Yellow Leaf Creek
Member since Feb 2017
7574 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:59 pm to
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They will not allow you to peacefully secede

That depends on how many States are left to create the group you defined as "they".
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44007 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 2:28 pm to
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They will not allow you to peacefully secede

If the referendum passes, they'll be hard-pressed not to do so.
Posted by AnyonebutSteelers
Austin, Texas
Member since Aug 2020
711 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 2:37 pm to
If Texas leaves the Union, then nothing would stop Democrats from utterly dominating the remaining 49-state USA. That's nearly forty red electoral votes gone.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
5545 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 3:07 pm to
Florida here... offering help and wishing good luck. Would love FLORIDA to join
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26119 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 3:39 pm to
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If the referendum passes, they'll be hard-pressed not to do so.


Not at all. Congress and SCOTUS will very easily and with enormous public support (outside of TX) say “No, you can’t leave unilaterally.”

Texas cannot realistically leave the Union without Congress’ consent.
This post was edited on 1/15/21 at 3:40 pm
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26119 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 3:41 pm to
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That depends on how many States are left to create the group you defined as "they".


It will be 49, unless a state subdivides before then or we admit PR.

Ultimately, it’s more likely that Texas can secure a constitutional amendment giving it more autonomy over certain “domestic”/state matters than a complete separation. Any true secession attempt would bring war.
This post was edited on 1/15/21 at 3:43 pm
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
5545 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 4:15 pm to
Would love for biden and the democrats to send in troops to kill Texans...that will go over well
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 4:22 pm to
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Not to mention, Texas is not the only entity that needs consulting. Congress and SCOTUS are going to have a say. I admire your dedication to your cause, but its a lot of wheel spinning if the federal government does not recognize Texas' right to leave unilaterally.


This is the dumbest shite I've ever heard.

When has any country in history just willingly allowed a segment of itself to break off? "Yeah sure guys, no problem. Go on your Merry way."

When you're talking about succession, you're talkin about doing something without permission. You're basically saying, "we're doing our own thing and ignoring everything you say from here on out. Now do something about it, if you dare."

It's a muscle move that isn't stopped with declarations and paper shuffling.
Posted by SKUD
Member since Feb 2019
293 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 4:25 pm to
I love my Texas and there are more and more people talking about this

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Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 4:27 pm to
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They will not allow you to peacefully secede


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If the referendum passes, they'll be hard-pressed not to do so


The only way for this to succeed is to take a page out of Gandhi's book. Just do your own thing and exercise passive resistance. They're going to be some martyrs but that's the cost of freedom. Texas will just have to draft up their own documents and just completely ignore the existence of the federal government and troops stationed on the corners of every street. Dare the federal government to make passive, peaceful citizens political fodder or worse, open fire on them. Texas would immediately Garner all the sympathy in the country and the federal government will become the enemy. The feds would have no more support in the rest of the states for holding Texas down.
This post was edited on 1/15/21 at 4:29 pm
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 4:31 pm to
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If Texas leaves the Union, then nothing would stop Democrats from utterly dominating the remaining 49-state USA. That's nearly forty red electoral votes gone


Then Join or Die
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92876 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 4:38 pm to
Texas is gonna be a blue state in no time at all

Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44007 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 5:31 pm to
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Dare the federal government to make passive, peaceful citizens political fodder or worse, open fire on them.

I've posted this multiple times--undoubtedly some (many?) are tired of me--but I think it's important to disseminate as much information as possible:

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One cannot reasonably assume that the policy of the federal government from the mid-19th century would be the policy of the federal government two decades into the 21st. There is no current federal policy regarding a State leaving the Union. However, there is current federal policy regarding states and territories leaving currently established political and economic institutions. Those policies involve neutrality or the use of military action in support of self-determination.

Imagine the scenario. Fifteen million Texans have gone to the polls and voted in a free, fair, and open referendum, conducted under the laws of the State of Texas, and have chosen, by a majority vote, to leave the Union and assert Texas’ status as a free and independent self-governing nation-state. Historically, around the world, voter turnout for independence referenda is 85 to 90 percent. Taking the low end, that would mean that 12.75 million Texans would cast their vote in the referendum. Figuring the lowest possible threshold for an independence victory, approximately 6.4 million Texans would vote in favor of independence.

If the federal government opts for a military solution, how would it handle the 6.4 million Texans who voted in favor of independence? Prison? Extermination? What would the justification be for any actions taken against Texans whose sole crime was voting for self-determination in a fair, free, and open referendum? When exactly would this military intervention occur? Would they do it before a vote on Texit to prevent the people having their say? Would they wait until after the results of the vote were tallied and the results announced in favor of independence? Or would they wait until after Texas began the process of extracting itself from the federal system and began asserting its role as a nation among nations?

Under close scrutiny, it becomes apparent that the federal government will not move to stop TEXIT once it’s been decided by the people of Texas and they most certainly won’t use the military. It’s just too impractical.

First, there would be little to no public support for military action against Texans who voted to leave the Union. A 2011 IBOPE Zogby poll found that 43 percent of respondents believed that States had justification for leaving the Union. For those who consider themselves conservatives, that number jumps to 65 percent. Military action against Texas, in the absence of some morally reprehensible act, would require a strong consensus from the remaining States and the people in those States. The strong liberal States would likely fall on the side of letting Texas go. The strong conservative States would be split on the issue but would largely be supportive of the basic principle of self-government. With numbers like these, a consensus seems implausible.

The use of military force would bring a swift condemnation from the international community and would damage international relations for years to come. Some countries would likely impose economic sanctions on the United States until the civilian government of Texas was restored and the results of the independence vote respected. It would also cause a tectonic shift in international policy related to the support of democratic institutions, essentially delegitimizing any efforts made by the United States past, present, and future.

You would have to believe that troops would obey an order to fire on millions of Texas civilians and their leaders whose only crime was invoking their right of self-government. With approximately 170,000 Texans serving in the United States armed forces, it would be difficult to get compliance. The ultimate irony is that any Texan in the United States military who took up arms against the lawfully elected government of Texas or its citizens would be guilty of treason under Article 1 Section 22 of the Texas Constitution.

A 2009 poll from the aforementioned Zogby showed a large number of military personnel and their families believed that States had an absolute right to leave the Union. As published in Forbes, “42% of members of the armed forces and 41% of people who have a family member active in the armed forces agree secession is a right…” The fact that 42 percent view it as a right carries weight. It means they view it as a fundamental freedom, like the freedom of speech or the freedom of religion. Just as it is unlikely that the military would act against those rights when exercised by the civilian population, it is equally unlikely that they would act against TEXIT.

The most likely scenario, if an order of this nature was given, would be outright disobedience from the highest levels of the military all the way down to the enlisted ranks by at least 42 percent of the military, if not all. If some component of the military followed through on the order, it would likely trigger a domino effect where other States, outraged by the disregard for the political will of the people of Texas, would skip to the end of the process and unilaterally declare independence. Texas might be the first to leave but, if the federal government used the military to suppress the result, it certainly would not be the last.
This post was edited on 1/15/21 at 8:45 pm
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44007 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 5:32 pm to
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Although the lack of public support and impracticality of military action are significant factors, the real reason the federal government won’t stop Texas from leaving the Union is one of the most biggest drivers of federal policy?economics.

Economies hate disruption. Texit would no doubt be disruptive, but it comes down to what is more disruptive. Ordering military intervention would be economically disruptive and would create shockwaves throughout the U.S. and global economies. Carrying out any type of military intervention would be even worse. The best course of action for the United States would be to mitigate disruption in the most practical way it can?at the negotiating table. It is the most practical choice open to the federal government in dealing with a successful Texit vote.

To illustrate the oversized role that practicality plays in this arena, one only needs to look at the statements from the federal government on Brexit. In his now infamous visit to the U.K., President Obama told the British people that, if they voted to leave the European Union, the United States would place the U.K. at the “back of the queue” in negotiating a trade deal. The British people voted to leave the European Union anyway. Now the federal government is currently at the table with the U.K. laying the groundwork for a trade deal. When faced with the choice of irrationally shunning the world’s fifth largest economy, with a GDP only $1 trillion greater than Texas or rationally executing a trade deal, the federal government chose the practical route.

It is far easier to negotiate a free trade agreement with a Texas that’s on its way out the door than it is to militarily occupy its capital in Austin. It is easier to negotiate a currency union with Texas than it is to deal with the possibility of massive insubordination in your military. With a negotiated separation, the federal government has the opportunity to show that it believes in the principles that it has espoused around the world for the last 70 years. It is better to keep goods and services flowing than to have them come to a dead stop. Forced integration into the Union at the point of a gun invites international condemnation and the loss of credibility on the international stage for the next 70 years.


Will the federal government use military force to stop TEXIT? - Texas Nationalist Movement
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47514 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 8:40 pm to
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Forced integration into the Union at the point of a gun invites international condemnation and the loss of credibility on the international stage for the next 70 years.
so was the United States not credible from the Civil War all the way through to WW1?

Keeping our Union together ensured we’d remain a top superpower, as opposed to a nation that had split in half
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44007 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 8:43 pm to
Makes sense to keep the Union together when the Union wants to remain together.
If one of those members wants to leave, it’s counterintuitive to try to force them to stay.
Besides, most of this country despises Texas and will likely help us pack.
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