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re: How can you claim to be inclusive when you call half of america backward?
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:11 pm to MrCarton
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:11 pm to MrCarton
quote:If Dev's theory for the reason were true, one would have to conclude based on long term patterns that racism has been on the steady RISE for the last 50 years!!
No, he just realizes that the trail you are attempting to lead him down is a logical dead end.
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Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:13 pm to TbirdSpur2010
quote:
Reminds me of a speech I heard a black activist give in 2017 when she said, "racism is at an all time high" and every black in the room nodded their heads like she hadn't just said something stupid on steroids.
It's gotten well past the point of absurdity. The rhetoric from the left today pretends like Bull Connor himself is roaming the streets of everytown, USA.
It really brought things home for me.
Several hundred black people all nodding and yelling "Amen" when a woman said...........in TWO frickING THOUSAND SEVENTEEN that "racism was at a n all time high".
And OLDER black woman said this! There's no point in even trying to converse with someone who can do that.
This post was edited on 3/14/18 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:14 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
If Dev's theory for the reason were true, one would have to conclude based on long term patterns that racism has been on the steady RISE for the last 50 years!!
I don't doubt that he actually thinks it has.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:15 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
Why does the GOP have to look inward to find why it sucks with minorities, but the dems don't have to look inward to find out why they suck with whites? That's a double standard.
And it doesn't seem to have occurred to him when an ever increasing part of your party's rhetoric is
White people bad
Uneducated white male
White Privilege
That just MIGHT........have something to do with how people perceive things.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:15 pm to Tigerdev
quote:
I think the idea is that we want to be inclusive and fight for equality of races, cultures, men and women, etc.
If you are talking about equality for individuals in those categories I'm with you. The problem is liberals confuse equality with sameness. Liberals see every member of one of those categories to be the exact same as another member of that category instead of being a separate human being from everyone else in the category. Liberals see clones instead of individuals. Equality is having the same worth and same freedom as everyone else. It does not mean being a carbon copy of everyone else. You want diversity, this country has approximately 327 million cases of diversity on display but because most of them have the same skin color as someone else liberals don't count them. If there are a hundred million whites I see a hundred million cases of diversity, liberals see one. If there are a hundred million African-Americans I see a hundred million cases of diversity, liberals see one. It's the same with every other category liberals pigeon hole people into.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:16 pm to TbirdSpur2010
quote:It's a movie character. Lighten up. I'm just messing with you. And Django certainly would be pro-gun at the very least (which is where I thought you might take it if i didn't piss you off
You know what? You can go frick yourself with this bull shite. I'm not up in here calling you some democratic plantation slave or one of Lyndon B. Johnson's "negroes" then turning around and tryna play it off with "keep it light." Give me a goddamn break.
) quote:I agree. I am stating the reasons for it...Not saying that it "works" per se. In fairness, politicians as a whole do a poor job of representing their constituents.
The trait loses its usefulness because blacks are taken for granted as a voting block.
quote:I don't think they would be large enough as a swing vote except in a few areas.
Incorrect. Both parties would have to actually try (and deliver) to sway the block their way. That's when real change occurs. Not when both parties can assume your vote.
quote:The reasons laid out for black voting patterns use terminology such as "dem plantation" for its obviously provocative properties. Meanwhile, conservatives don't care to question why Asians who are highly educated and successful voted 70% against Trump...it doesn't fit the narrative of uneducated minorities being tricked into voting for Democrats.
It irks conservatives for far different reasons than you believe.
quote:I'm making a point to emphasize Asian voting in the last election because of how acutely it flies in the face of the "dem plantation" argument.
I'm not ignoring Asians at all, simply continuing the line of discussion I'd already established. You introduced them to twist your own rationale, not me.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:17 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:
I don't doubt that he actually thinks it has.
It's why he wants to laser focus on the 2016.
His shite falls the frick apart otherwise.
I'm not sure, but I think it was he who tried to compare national black voting patterns across ALL elections to Louisiana whites circa 2008.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:18 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:Actually, Dems do need to look inward on this issue. There are some who would never come back but losing working class white folks is not something we want to concede forever.
Why does the GOP have to look inward to find why it sucks with minorities, but the dems don't have to look inward to find out why they suck with whites?
That's a double standard.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:18 pm to ShortyRob
How can you make that claim if you say snowflake or cuck ?
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:18 pm to Tigerdev
quote:Focusing on one election outs you as being intellectually dishonest. That's all.
I'm making a point to emphasize Asian voting in the last election because of how acutely it flies in the face of the "dem plantation" argument.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:19 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
quote:
How can you make that claim if you say snowflake or cuck ?
I fricking HATE the use of the word cuck
And, if I had to make a high guess, I've probably used the word snowflake on this board fewer than 10 times.............EVER and for very specific circumstances.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:20 pm to Tigerdev
quote:
Actually, Dems do need to look inward on this issue. There are some who would never come back but losing working class white folks is not something we want to concede forever.
As long as you portray politics as a war between blacks and whites(which Dems do), you're going to have this problem.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:22 pm to ShortyRob
quote:Actually I'm focusing on 2016 based on the context of the original post of the thread. The divisive nature of the 2016 election seems topical to the question being raised in the OP.
It's why he wants to laser focus on the 2016.
Doing my best to have a fair discussion but you can't seem to climb off your high horse of resentment towards one demographics voting patterns. Do you shawty...
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:23 pm to Tigerdev
In terms of race though, the 2016 election complicates things greatly.
Trump’s largest gains came in areas that have historically not been racist: Wisconsin, Michigan, etc
Trump’s largest gains came in areas that have historically not been racist: Wisconsin, Michigan, etc
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:24 pm to Tigerdev
quote:
Actually I'm focusing on 2016 based on the context of the original post of the thread. The divisive nature of the 2016 election seems topical to the question being raised in the OP.
Oh please. Nice dodge
quote:Using the word resentment doesn't really change that I've provided you information that you have willfully ignored because it's inconvenient.
Doing my best to have a fair discussion but you can't seem to climb off your high horse of resentment towards one demographics voting patterns. Do you shawty...
Your theory is shite and long term voting patterns prove it to be so.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:27 pm to ShortyRob
quote:I can vouch for you on this
I fricking HATE the use of the word cuck
And, if I had to make a high guess, I've probably used the word snowflake on this board fewer than 10 times.............EVER and for very specific circumstances.
Shortys a dick, but he's not a moron
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:27 pm to ShortyRob
Here's the best part.
Black voting patterns aren't going to change. I would happily bet $1K RIGHT NOW that blacks will vote for the 2032 Dem candidate at a greater than 90% clip.
Which is going to COMPLETELY frick them.
Because in politics, if your vote is a given, you are irrelevant.
Asians and Hispanics are going to overtake blacks as the primary focus of Dems and blacks are going to be left thinking, "WTF!?"
Hell. It's pretty arguable this has already occurred on the Hispanic front. And while Hispanics show a Dem bias..........their vote is at least not a fricking guarantee so, Democrats will actually cater to them.
But hey. Don't listen to me. Keep doing you and voting based on skin color.
It's gonna hurt you more than me.
Black voting patterns aren't going to change. I would happily bet $1K RIGHT NOW that blacks will vote for the 2032 Dem candidate at a greater than 90% clip.
Which is going to COMPLETELY frick them.
Because in politics, if your vote is a given, you are irrelevant.
Asians and Hispanics are going to overtake blacks as the primary focus of Dems and blacks are going to be left thinking, "WTF!?"
Hell. It's pretty arguable this has already occurred on the Hispanic front. And while Hispanics show a Dem bias..........their vote is at least not a fricking guarantee so, Democrats will actually cater to them.
But hey. Don't listen to me. Keep doing you and voting based on skin color.
It's gonna hurt you more than me.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:28 pm to Tigerdev
quote:
It's a movie character. Lighten up. I'm just messing with you. And Django certainly would be pro-gun at the very least (which is where I thought you might take it if i didn't piss you off
I know they're movie characters, but I resent the implication. It's exactly the type of attitude/rhetoric that I'm talking about with the racial self-policing that goes on among blacks. I don't suffer such foolishness gladly.
quote:
I agree. I am stating the reasons for it...Not saying that it "works" per se.
Except that's exactly what you implied when you said blacks punch above their weight as a voting block (thus pissing off conservatives). I'm saying you're dead wrong on this point regarding the efficacy of modern-day blacks as a voting demographic.
quote:
In fairness, politicians as a whole do a poor job of representing their constituents.
We agree here. Which is why it's of even greater import for blacks (or any demographic, really) to abdicate any modicum of ability to hold shitty politicians accountable. By voting like we do, black people let these sleazeballs off the hook.
quote:
I don't think they would be large enough as a swing vote except in a few areas.
Large enough as a swing vote in urban areas, most assuredly. And large enough in other areas that lip service alone would be inadequate.
quote:
Asian voting in the last election
1.) Not nearly as egregious as the black vote
2.) That was far and away a high water mark for that demographic, whereas our voting breakdown was largely business as usual. It's a poor comparison on your part.
quote:
"dem plantation" argument
Again, I refrain from using such terminology. I simply believe that it'd be healthier to see the voting tendencies of blacks more accurately reflect the values we tend to hold in our day to day lives, in addition to reflecting our varied socioeconomic distribution these days.
This post was edited on 3/14/18 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:30 pm to ShortyRob
I'll add another piece of bad news for the black voting block.
While you guys are laser focused on how racist whites are...........have you fricking met Koreans, Indians, Pakistanis, Vietnamese, even Puerto Ricans and for that matter a lot of Mexicans?
You think Alabama whites are bad.
While you guys are laser focused on how racist whites are...........have you fricking met Koreans, Indians, Pakistanis, Vietnamese, even Puerto Ricans and for that matter a lot of Mexicans?
You think Alabama whites are bad.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:30 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:I gave my take on some of the reasons why Dems lost ground with working class white folks in an earlier reply. Automation and technology mixed with cheaper imports really shellacked some of the manufacturing jobs and a lot of these folks are too old to learn a new trade. Trump came in and presented them with a foil: Global trade and illegal immigrants.
Trump’s largest gains came in areas that have historically not been racist: Wisconsin, Michigan, etc
Highly effective and straight out of the nationalist play book.
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