re: How can we most effectively revolt without violence?

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what could the GOP do differently that would make them more effective?

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Stop pandering culture war nonsense. For example, don't introduce Senate legislation to codify a federal abortion ban post Dobbs in the runup to the 2022 midterm elections.

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being milquetoast nice guys

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I'm not saying be nice guys. I'm saying focus on actual policy that advances the interests of Americans instead of pandering to the base at the detriment of general public opinion.

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what would you have conservatives do differently to message better?

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Address and aggressively pursue policies that actually benefit Americans instead of pandering to the portion of the population that is voting for the GOP regardless of its positions. Perhaps take a policy-first approach to political campagining instead of continuing to harp on objectively losing issues (for the right) such as abortion, the gays/trannies/alphabet people, Hollywood, George Soros, and the 2020 election. Quit trying to troll and be edgelords at every stage, in every post, and in every speech. The Great Meme War is over. Its participants are in their 30's and 40's now, and the younger generation isn't buying it.

It simply turns normal, non-politically oriented people away. Particularly so because of the media bias that we both agree on. We know the media environment. Why not play the game and win instead of banging your head against the wall and then pretending to wonder why "undecided" voters break for the other side?

Its just bad strategy.

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Perhaps take a policy-first approach to political campagining instead of continuing to harp on objectively losing issues (for the right) such as abortion, the gays/trannies/alphabet people, Hollywood, George Soros, and the 2020 election.

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so essentially, surrender the culture to the Left? those things matter and are worth fighting for. if conservatives surrender on abortion and allow the gays and trannies to run rampant (especially with their blatant attack on children) just to win an election, then what the hell is the point in any of it?

Quit buying fast food, processed food and pharmaceuticals. Buy real food that's locally sourced and in season. Tune out commercial MSM in favor of niche channels of independent media. Keep driving your old car because the new models are shite.

i hear what you're saying, and i agree to an extent, but all of those issues - immigration, tax, healthcare, foreign policy - those are all couched in cultural terms by the left. if you are against open borders, then you are a racist and a nationalist. if you are against free healthcare, then you are a capitalist pig (and also a racist) who wants poor black people to die in the streets. if you think that our taxes are goign to too many bullshite programs, then you are also a racist, sexist, and whatever else. if you are agaisnt gun control, then you literally want children to die.

then in ten years, Indefatigable and Northshore Aggie will be having this same conversation, and we'll be saying "well, open borders and free healthcare are loser cultural issues that were lost years ago and we need to focus on XYZ so we can win elections". i mean we were told the same thing about gay marriage a little over a decade ago - just have to surrender on this "loser cultural issue", and now we have actual literal men showering with young girls and being told that we are bigots if we dont accept that.

we are where we are today due to sixty years of good-faith "compromising" with the Left, which in practice has just been conservatives surrendering on issue after issue after issue.

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I have a nine year old daughter who knows more about sexual degeneracy in the 4th grade than i knew probably by late middle school or early high school. she asks me about stuff that i honestly cannot believe she is hearing about. that is a direct reflection of surrendering the culture to the tyranny of the LGTBQ mafia, and it most certainly impacts my family and community.

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This should be directed at the government of your local school district, your parish, and ultimately your state.

The federal government should have no bearing on what your child is taught in school or is exposed to.

And again I reiterate the point that the right has LOST these issues. Status quo is the best its ever going to get. There is no turning back a cultural clock to pre-2008. Its just not going to happen.

And NOTHING you want to occur is even possible without a GOP majority in the House, Senate, and GOP control of the WH. Cultural issues will not win those things. All of the seats that can be swung right on culture war issues are already red.

Nation wide walkouts.

They can't withhold taxes on hours not worked. The taxes collected is the only thing that maintains international trust in the dollar. The beast would be mortally wounded if we could get 10-15% to participate.

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Culture issues are not legitimate issues for the federal government in my opinion. Those things should be determined at the state or local level.

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i agree, but that that is not the reality of the battlefield we are currently on.

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My point is that the GOP can either focus on immigration, the economy, and foreign policy and win, or it can focus on pandering people who are already voting Republican no matter what and lose.

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but when the GOP wins, and then makes changes on these kinds of issues, they become cultural issues and then we lose follow-on elections. Trump ran on the border and immigration as a major issue, if not THE major issue of his campaign. he made changes that pretty effectively dealt with the border. then it became a loser cultural issue with kids in cages, AOC crying at the border, etc.

hell there are millions of conservatives right now who believe we need to surrender on the border because it's a loser issue. it's just compromise after compromise after compromise. eventually there's nothing left.

anyways, i know you're good people. i'm honestly not trying to be super argumentative with you. i think we just disagree on the significance of these cultural issues in the long run.

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when the GOP wins, and then makes changes on these kinds of issues

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When has GOP policy on immigration, the tax code, or foreign policy cost the GOP an election? Excepting of course 1992 where GWB lost voters from the right because of his meddling with the tax code after promising not to do so.

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Trump ran on the border and immigration as a major issue, if not THE major issue of his campaign. he made changes that pretty effectively dealt with the border. then it became a loser cultural issue with kids in cages, AOC crying at the border, etc.

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Trump didn't lose the 2020 election on policy. I feel from this conversation that you understand that. Trump lost the 2020 election because he cannot control his emotions or his mouth. Otherwise known more broadly as bad messaging

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i'm honestly not trying to be super argumentative with you. i think we just disagree on the significance of these cultural issues in the long run.

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No foul here. This is what discussion boards like this one are for. We're clearly both on the same side ultimately. Its ok to disagree sometimes.

Republics usually don't last more than a few hundred years. The Romans made a go at 450+ years.

We are almost 250 in and going south fast.

Greed and power of the ruling class is usually their undoing.