re: How can people that believe in more than two genders be taken seriously?

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So where's the compassion for the mentally ill?

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I have deep compassion for the mentally ill, and they deserve help.

But when society starts to normalize and embrace the steps taken by institutions such as the university of texas—which chooses to manufacture the idea of “toxic masculinity” as a legitimate mental health issue—I believe it’s a problem.

Non-Mentally ill heterosexual male. Fixed it for you. You can make up all the names you want, but in the end I am the normal one.

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Are you saying it's more a desire to simply deviate from the construct, or does the construct shape the determination?

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I'm not sure precisely what you're asking me, so I'll clarify generally:

I think that some people flaunt societal norms as an act of counter culture rebellion. I also think that some people follow societal norms simply out of fear of being ostracized. However, I think the majority of people express behaviors that are a culmination of genetic and epigenetic factors as well as early socialization.

Not sure if that helped

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You're projecting again.

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no u

Read back over every post I've made in this thread. I've done nothing but try to clearly convey my positions and respond to any question posed. If you want to cry in a corner because you don't like what I say, that's your malfunction, not mine.

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That makes no sense. Your defense of the "reality" of transgender was what you offered...someone's theory of "scales". Thats what I replied to.

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Straw. Man.

And not only a strawman, but an utterly misidentified strawman. I referenced the Kinsey Scale to tease out people's thoughts on the much larger question of gender being a spectrum; it had nothing to do with transgenderism, per se.

If one accepts that sex and gender are different, it defies both logic and observation to argue that there are zero people on this planet who display behaviors that are commonly associated with a gender that is different from their sex.

The two discussions are entirely discrete.

False. There are two genders, male and female. That's the way it's always been and always be. This shite stain will mocked and laughed about in the future. It will be known as the time that Donald J Trump stepped in and saved us all.

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False. There are two genders, male and female. That's the way it's always been and always be. This shite stain will mocked and laughed about in the future. It will be known as the time that Donald J Trump stepped in and saved us all.

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I would simply suggest that the idea that some things like gender are simply "societal constructs" ignores how determinative such things are in natural reality. I also acknowledge that there will be outliers who wish to, for whatever reason (choice? genetics?) deviate from that determinative. I don't know what that means as far as what others should be demanded to "accept", but I'd guess therein lies the rub in most cases.

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I don't know if you and I are actually that far apart.

I think the starting point is determining whether there are universal "gender roles" to begin with. While there are certainly some broad similarities (warfare is overwhelmingly masculine), there are exceptions even to those norms (Amazonian culture, Viking culture, etc). Further, there are some things that vary differently by culture. For example, depending on the culture you find yourself in, cooking is can be utterly feminine, utterly masculine, or anywhere in between. We could spend hours going over example after example of that kind of "purely cultural" construct.

But once you move past that, there are always going to be people that don't seem to fit that cultural role. There are famous stories of women hiding their sex to join armies, be surgeons, etc. There are southeast Asian cultures that have "sexually male gender female" individuals that have been defined as their own category for long before anyone had ever heard of a SJW.

But I believe what you're getting out is how much choice is involved in this process. Even if we concede that sex and gender are separate, hell, even if we concede that gender is a continuum, that doesn't necessarily mean that gender is fluid. I certainly think it's an interesting question, but I also think reasonable people can disagree on the answer.

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And not only a strawman, but an utterly misidentified strawman. I referenced the Kinsey Scale to tease out people's thoughts on the much larger question of gender being a spectrum; it had nothing to do with transgenderism, per se.

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Then you misidentified the point, which was, someones theory of "explanation" based on their preferred understanding based on their "scale" does not make it reality..per se.
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