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Posted on 11/11/26 at 5:07 pm to BoarEd
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Well, I wasn't speaking to you in the post you're quoting here.
Ok - now respond to the rest of the post.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 5:18 pm to BoarEd
There lying, the truth will be exploded when the Dems take over in January.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 5:25 pm to DrKnievel
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now respond to the rest of the post.
I didn't even read the rest of the post. What's the use if you aren't even paying attention to the discussion enough to know when someone is talking to you or not?
Posted on 11/11/26 at 5:47 pm to BoarEd
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I didn't even read the rest of the post. What's the use if you aren't even paying attention to the discussion enough to know when someone is talking to you or not?
Ok, Bozo. Nothing says defeat than what you just posted.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 5:49 pm to DrKnievel
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Nothing says defeat
You think there is some sort of battle being waged in here or something? That's strange, man. You're a strange dude.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 5:50 pm to BoarEd
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You think there is some sort of battle being waged in here or something? That's strange, man. You're a strange dude.
I came to converse. Maybe I’ll learn something new. Nope
Posted on 11/11/26 at 5:53 pm to DrKnievel
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Maybe I’ll learn something new.
Ok then, I'll teach you something since that is your stated objective. This that you posted below doesn't make any sense.
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Nothing says defeat than what
Start with the basics and then work your way up. Eventually you'll get to logic and maybe understand my prior responses to you regarding this investigation.
Glad to help.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 6:11 pm to BoarEd
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Start with the basics and then work your way up. Eventually you'll get to logic and maybe understand my prior responses to you regarding this investigation.
Glad to help.
I missed a word - big deal. You obviously don’t have any worthy input on the topic at hand, so you distract. I get it.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 9:53 am to DrKnievel
not guilty it's mostly democrats
Posted on 11/12/26 at 12:58 pm to tigersmanager
bump
Posted on 11/12/26 at 3:32 pm to BoarEd
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You think there is some sort of battle being waged in here or something? That's strange, man. You're a strange dude.
To be honest - yes. The objective people vs the easily influenced people. People using data improperly to make decisions is not new, but I shouldn’t be surprised about fandom on a political forum in a sports site.
Just to prove my point, the link below is the Democrat’s report produced by a panel on the same committee. I don’t endorse this report either as it is a partisan product, but this illustrates the propaganda on both sides. Both sides cherry picked info to form the narrative they desired, so I don’t believe either to be overly objective.
Democrat Report on Epstein
Posted on 11/12/26 at 3:33 pm to DavidTheGnome
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We investigated ourselves and found no evidence of wrongdoing. Great! Now release the files, all of them
If by “ourselves” you mean D and R, sure
Sort of like Fulton recounting ballots in 2020
Posted on 11/12/26 at 3:46 pm to DrKnievel
For fricks sake, man. Jamie Raskin is not even on the committee that has investigated this matter. Do you not understand the point of this thread, or what? As I've said multiple times throughout this thread, the Oversight Committee's comments about Trump wouldn't have even happened at all if it were not for people like Raskin here making these sorts of accusations.
Jamie Raskin is the ranking member of the Judiciary Committee. The Judiciary Committee has not investigated this matter. Oversight has, and in the process of Oversight's investigation they found nothing linking Trump to Epstein crimes. That's it. That's the thread.
Jamie Raskin is the ranking member of the Judiciary Committee. The Judiciary Committee has not investigated this matter. Oversight has, and in the process of Oversight's investigation they found nothing linking Trump to Epstein crimes. That's it. That's the thread.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 4:09 pm to BoarEd
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For fricks sake, man. Jamie Raskin is not even on the committee that has investigated this matter. Do you not understand the point of this thread, or what? As I've said multiple times throughout this thread, the Oversight Committee's comments about Trump wouldn't have even happened at all if it were not for people like Raskin here making these sorts of accusations.
Jamie Raskin is the ranking member of the Judiciary Committee. The Judiciary Committee has not investigated this matter. Oversight has, and in the process of Oversight's investigation they found nothing linking Trump to Epstein crimes. That's it. That's the thread.
You sound mad.
Just so we are clear, the oversight committee did not produce that report. A panel from the committee did. That is not the same as the committee producing it as they would have to compromise on what is added and what is stricken.
I reread the article I linked and you are correct. This is a different committee, but my point still stands. You are getting caught up in partisan messaging where I see the messaging for what it is. Both are partial accounts on what they want you to believe and combined they don’t give an accurate account of what transpired. This is a legal issue that both sides are trying to turn into some kind of political victory. The politics on both sides is distorting the issue.
Can we at least agree that if you sleep with a child, it is illegal?
All of the Epstein shite needs to be handled by law enforcement (even if it is again) because both sides found that this was not handled properly. I know you are trump focused, but I say throw everyone in jail that can be proven guilty. That shouldn’t be controversial, or make you irate.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 4:24 pm to DrKnievel
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Can we at least agree that if you sleep with a child, it is illegal?
All of the Epstein shite needs to be handled by law enforcement (even if it is again) because both sides found that this was not handled properly. I know you are trump focused, but I say throw everyone in jail that can be proven guilty. That shouldn’t be controversial, or make you irate.
Luckily the oversight committee did indeed send several referrals back to DoJ of people they feel need to be investigated again after they concluded that the federal government botched every aspect of the handling of this case. This is the actual good news in this. And no, none of this makes me irate, nor do I find it controversial to say people who frick children need to be punished. I have been on this subject for going on 10 frickin years now and I too am ready to see it resolved with all involved punished to the fullest extent of the law.
Biggest problem is though, like I said before, there are going to be documents that continue to be withheld even after they have concluded these sex abuse investigations and so long as that is the case you're going to continue to see people use the fact that documents being withheld as "evidence" that Donald Trump did something wrong even though the reality is that he has been "exonerated" on this ordeal from like 4 different angles (note the quotes around the word exonerated). For people who want to use this tragedy as a political weapon, no amount of evidence will ever be enough. And it's just as simple as that.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 5:16 pm to BoarEd
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Luckily the oversight committee did indeed send several referrals back to DoJ of people they feel need to be investigated again after they concluded that the federal government botched every aspect of the handling of this case. This is the actual good news in this. And no, none of this makes me irate, nor do I find it controversial to say people who frick children need to be punished. I have been on this subject for going on 10 frickin years now and I too am ready to see it resolved with all involved punished to the fullest extent of the law.
Biggest problem is though, like I said before, there are going to be documents that continue to be withheld even after they have concluded these sex abuse investigations and so long as that is the case you're going to continue to see people use the fact that documents being withheld as "evidence" that Donald Trump did something wrong even though the reality is that he has been "exonerated" on this ordeal from like 4 different angles (note the quotes around the word exonerated). For people who want to use this tragedy as a political weapon, no amount of evidence will ever be enough. And it's just as simple as that.
I can agree with most of that. People on both sides want to believe they are correct in their assertions whether they are justified or not. Politics is not making the picture clearer - in fact I would say both sides are helping to distort the truth for political gain. Assertions of guilt are not the same thing has having evidence of guilt. I really wish people would understand that. I agree that when you go to court you either have the evidence or you don’t. Even if something becomes available after the fact, it can’t be used in a case that has already taken place.
What are your thoughts on some of the files with Trumps name were not released?
From my perspective, the three options are he did something he didn’t want investigated, he felt it was better politically to not release those files (although illegal based on the law), or there was a lawful reason to not release them (which we have never been told). Maybe you have others, but that is what I have come up with.
Can you please provide the the 4 different angles he has been “exonerated”?
Posted on 11/12/26 at 5:47 pm to DrKnievel
I feel like any files unreleased at this point are still unreleased because there are ongoing investigations into those particular matters (Pam Bondi confirmed this before stepping down as AG) and/or they are pertaining to matters of national security and may have nothing to do with any of this shite people think of when they think Epstein. That guy had his fingers in a lot of shady shite that had nothing to do with the sex abuse thing. It is all but confirmed that he worked with or for multiple intelligence agencies, so take from that what you will.
And what I mean by "exonerated" by 4 angles is just the fact that victims have said he was the only one around who tried to help the victims at the time, the victims lawyer has said he was the only one who would clear his schedule to help investigators on the case, Epstein himself said he believed it was Trump that turned him in to the police to begin with, and the oversight committee says they found nothing implicating Trump.
If someone wants to take down Trump over this stuff they're going to have to bring the heat, because from everything we can see so far, he appears to not only be innocent, but also be the man who brought it all down. And that tracks when you consider the only movement we have seen against Epstein of any substantive kind happened under the Trump administration and Trump was telling people it was coming in 2015 on the campaign trail. Trump seems to have orchestrated all of this. Which also means it is likely even this "did he, didn't he" bullshite is still being orchestrated by Trump as bait.
And what I mean by "exonerated" by 4 angles is just the fact that victims have said he was the only one around who tried to help the victims at the time, the victims lawyer has said he was the only one who would clear his schedule to help investigators on the case, Epstein himself said he believed it was Trump that turned him in to the police to begin with, and the oversight committee says they found nothing implicating Trump.
If someone wants to take down Trump over this stuff they're going to have to bring the heat, because from everything we can see so far, he appears to not only be innocent, but also be the man who brought it all down. And that tracks when you consider the only movement we have seen against Epstein of any substantive kind happened under the Trump administration and Trump was telling people it was coming in 2015 on the campaign trail. Trump seems to have orchestrated all of this. Which also means it is likely even this "did he, didn't he" bullshite is still being orchestrated by Trump as bait.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 6:48 pm to BoarEd
Thanks - appreciate the response. I’d forgotten about active investigations (as that is a valid option as well). It is concerning that Epstein died in 2019, and open investigations are supposedly still ongoing. No way to know if somebody is about to be charged, the evidence just isn’t there, or they are just stalling to not release information (depending on your political narrative).
Just to play devils advocate for a moment, if there were 100 girls and trump did something with one of them, there would be 99 witnesses that would testify that trump had nothing to do with it, so unless you interview all 100, it would appear as he is innocent. That is certainly a flaw in the investigation the committee performed. Same with the lawyers that represent them.
Using the same 100 girl example, trump has 99 options that he can testify about that would not blow back on him.
I personally am not believing anything Epstein said at this point.
None of the hypotheticals makes trump guilty by any means, but I would be hesitant to say he is “exonerated” by this information. Just my opinion.
Just to play devils advocate for a moment, if there were 100 girls and trump did something with one of them, there would be 99 witnesses that would testify that trump had nothing to do with it, so unless you interview all 100, it would appear as he is innocent. That is certainly a flaw in the investigation the committee performed. Same with the lawyers that represent them.
Using the same 100 girl example, trump has 99 options that he can testify about that would not blow back on him.
I personally am not believing anything Epstein said at this point.
None of the hypotheticals makes trump guilty by any means, but I would be hesitant to say he is “exonerated” by this information. Just my opinion.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 10:08 pm to DrKnievel
Had a couple of additional thoughts.
I do agree with you that this has to end at some point. Even when it does, there will be people that disagree with the result. The most likely outcome is nothing happens at this point. There needs to be a bipartisan report in order to unify people on both sides. People can’t even have conversations these days because the data they receive is so biased. If you read both reports then you know what I’m talking about.
The real tragedy is this is really all about trump and not the victims. The takeaway from the Republican report was trump was innocent, and the take away from the democratic report was trump is implicated. Shocker!
There were over 1200 alleged Epstein victims and only 7 testified before the Oversight Committee. Others provided statements but it was unclear how many. I made this number up and probably being generous, but is investigating 10% of the victims acceptable to anybody that wants to get to the bottom of the Epstein problem and solve it?
That is the frustration I have with the committee. It was nothing more than a political show on both sides. They gave the appearance of an investigation, but I hope we all would say this was very incomplete.
I do agree with you that this has to end at some point. Even when it does, there will be people that disagree with the result. The most likely outcome is nothing happens at this point. There needs to be a bipartisan report in order to unify people on both sides. People can’t even have conversations these days because the data they receive is so biased. If you read both reports then you know what I’m talking about.
The real tragedy is this is really all about trump and not the victims. The takeaway from the Republican report was trump was innocent, and the take away from the democratic report was trump is implicated. Shocker!
There were over 1200 alleged Epstein victims and only 7 testified before the Oversight Committee. Others provided statements but it was unclear how many. I made this number up and probably being generous, but is investigating 10% of the victims acceptable to anybody that wants to get to the bottom of the Epstein problem and solve it?
That is the frustration I have with the committee. It was nothing more than a political show on both sides. They gave the appearance of an investigation, but I hope we all would say this was very incomplete.
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